Will tubes cost us even more?

[AlNewman]

And political discussion is good for us. It's how we learn how others think. No reason for anybody to be offended. After all, it ain't capacitors.

The key term here is 'discussion'.

Before I get kicked out of the forum, I'll just leave this here.

https://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6218.msg54235#msg54235

[rake]

Yes there are still John Deeres made here but the smaller units like I would need are not.
Most of the small farms and horse farms around me have switched to Kubota.
Even the golf courses all seem to be switching to those Orange tractors and small hoes.
Golf courses? We have 40 of them in a 15 mile radius. 
We call it pasture pool. 

[Woodrow F Call]

It's not greed, it's the economy and supply and demand,

1st off your totally leaving out the rest of the "it's the economy and supply and demand supply" reasoning I explained.

You had CEOs from oil companies talking in shareholder meetings about why they aren't exploring and drilling more..... their responses were "to protect shareholder value" while raking in record profits.

Where's the proof of this? It's just left talking points.

The Dem's cover this up, many of the drilling permits they have are not worth anything because other government agencies won't give the other permits to clear for and put in the roads to get to the drilling sites. Then the Dem's say no more drilling permits until they use the 1's they already have. Pretty slick trick. 

You have grocery conglomerates posting record profits.

Where's the proof, this is another Dem lie to cover up how they wrecked the economy. Grocery stores run on pennies on the dollar profit margins. They are not price gouging.

And lets see, in the last 4 years, they opened the border and let in ~20 million people and that doesn't include the 'got aways', could be 25, 30, 35 million? So that's a lot more moths to feed, profits should be up. 

I know how much better my 401k is looking even though there is rampant inflation and the economy is terrible.

So your denying the 40 year high record inflation and the economy is bad?

We have record credit card debt and many have had to go into their retirement savings to pay their bills. There have many articles in the papers and on line about this. 

We got both - the rampant inflation and a terrible economy -  and the rising stock market because of the trillions of dollars the Dem's released into the economy. The market loves the extra money, but the economy doesn't.
 

If you don't think greed has anything to do with this, you really need to take another look without bias.

Oh, there's plenty of greed here, but it's the greed of the Dem's who were in charge who, with the help of their buddies the press, scared the living daylights out of the people about covid, and  told them they needed the governments help and released trillions of dollars into the economy to pay off their backers and get more campaign donations. And round and round it goes.

Your telling me I'm biased but everything your saying is biased and off the mark Dem talking points.

It's not hard to find info on what I posted. It's really not. Try harder.

[Willabe]

But I'd argue the folks who are sharp and hard-working find a way to succeed, the same as they always did.

That's true to a point. But not everyone has the same level of sharpness. And that seems to getting to be less and less. Fatherless children and lack of even basic schooling.

Politicians would like to convince us that they can give us a better life, if we give them our vote.

Depends on the polices they put in. But they sure can screw up a countries economy. 

No politician caused me to fail (when I failed earlier in life), and no politician caused me to win today.  I've had hardship under administrations of both parties, and I've been successful the last decade or so under administrations of both parties.  I believe that what we do for ourselves is the greatest factor in our personal success (or lack thereof).

Yes this has truth to it, but not everyone will prosper in all situations/administrations. You are also way above the curve intelligence and ability wise. And it's clearly been documented here through the years.

[Willabe]

It's not hard to find info on what I posted. It's really not. Try harder.

What a joke, try harder. This is how you support what your saying? You say I'm biased, and you make false biased statements and I should search for info to prove you right? 

No it's not hard to find what your posting, I've seen plenty of 'info' on what your saying, it's every where. 

It's just left talking points that are not true. Which is what I wrote, the left has the media, press, TV/Cable news, news papers in their back pocket. It's been that way for decades.

You haven't backed up anything you've said.

[Woodrow F Call]

And political discussion is good for us. It's how we learn how others think. No reason for anybody to be offended. After all, it ain't capacitors.

The key term here is 'discussion'.

Before I get kicked out of the forum, I'll just leave this here.

https://el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6218.msg54235#msg54235

In light of this, I will remove myself from this conversation. It'll be better to talk amps, guitars, and music anyway.

[acheld]

I knew HotBluePlates was a smart dude.   I've been reading (and enjoying) his comments for many years.   But quoting Fred on a guitar amp rave?  That is an impressive first.  Seriously.

[jbrrrrr]

guvmint has convinced us to fight each other while they nips on some single malt n smoke $20 cigars, paid for by us

I've got a bone to pick about all this nonsense.  This point of view is so long obsolete - it's nowhere near relevant anymore, and hasn't been for a very long while...

Those $20 cigars are $200, now.  Hell, probably $2000.  That single malt probably costs more than an economy car.

 

Let's make sure we're using accurate hyperbole, if you don't mind. 

[shooter]

Let's make sure we're using accurate hyperbole, if you don't mind.

my comment is a metaphor 


guvmint has never "worked as designed" for the past 130 years, cannot "work as designed" since in the design of American governance
 "must be run by Ethical and Moral men"  otherwise t WILL fail as we see before our eye's

[rafe]

Quote from: Willabe on December 29, 2024, 01:04:47 pmYet they spent over $1.8 billion on Kamala and still lost. And Citizens United had nothing to do with her loss. Dem's spent ~1.8 billion, Trump, 800 million.

See these numbers?          ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^ ^


There you go Inflation is so bad you can't buy an election anymore .....Inflation ....they print more money and you don't think it's tax ....Genius evil genius

[Latole]

Let's hope we're wrong about everything that could be bad.

I wish us a very happy new year 2025

[DummyLoad]

Wow! Are we still discussing tube amp circuitry here? Seems to be nothing more than a political pissing contest now.   

Thinking I'm gonna bail.L8r y'all!


--Pete

[Willabe]

Wow! Are we still discussing tube amp circuitry here? Seems to be nothing more than a political pissing contest now.   

That's where it started.

President Trump wants to raise tariffs on all products entering the US. 

The vast majority of guitars are made outside the country.
Amps too.
Many Fenders are made in Mexico, to mention just a few. Tubes and more.

[Latole]

Tubes prices day one ; january 21 , 2025

See you in 1 year 

From The tubes Store :

EH 6L6              $38,95
EH 6V6GT          $32,95
EL84                 $23,95
JJ6L6GC            $26,95
JJEL34              $23,95
Sovtek 6550WE $67,95
TungSol 6V6GT  $45,95

[walkman]

Didn’t everything really change when the credit culture came in? Didn’t this happen all around the same time in UK, AUS NZ and the US late 60s early 70s?

We are in the age of bitcoin and the internet, I don’t know about tariffs but I doubt in a global economy which doesn’t have to rely on the US the way it did in the past (look at china and India 3.6 Billion people between them  10x larger than US), tariffs may not work in the way Trump imagines.

There may be other more innovative ways needed to get Jobs back to the US, perhaps start with Education and training and developing industries where people can use all the new tools and technology to create exports of services and IP. A new minerals boom will simple benefit China like it did in the 90s who do you think is going to buy all that iron ore? And who will buy back the steel?

If US companies are going to ramp up manufacturing it is going to take a war like in WWII or there will need to be massive subsidies to big companies not the small guys to fund all that CapEx..  I’m no expert but that that is my conclusion as a layperson. May well be quite wrong

[Lectroid]

I remember very well when offshoring began.  It was the Reagan Administration who pushed though a change in tax law.  The law said that any corporate profits earned by an American company outside the US would not be taxed as income inside the US.   Forty years later most American corporations hold far  more assets outside the US that they hold inside the US.  They pay taxes on a small fraction of their profits.  The rich got richer and we got screwed.

Blaming Democrats or lefties for all the world's ills seems to be a knee-jerk reaction for some of us here, but the facts in this case are ALL against Reagan and the supply-siders.  Trickle-down economics have never put money into the pockets of working people and it never will.

[shooter]

We are in the age of bitcoin and the internet

send ChtGPT some bitcoin and have it make tubes 


without the meat-space that probably isn't very realistic, but I lived and worked the Technology rise n shine times
became a farmer

[acheld]

I remember very well when offshoring began.  It was the Reagan Administration who pushed though a change in tax law.  The law said that any corporate profits earned by an American company outside the US would not be taxed as income inside the US.

Yes, and it was Reagan who started the ball rolling toward NAFTA, which was then negotiated and ratified during Clinton's time office.   I lived in Michigan at the time, and vividly recall Ross Perot's prediction -- "you'll hear a giant sucking sound of jobs going south to Mexico."  While a lot of my friends/colleagues agreed with that, and it certainly happened -- none us foresaw the extension of that policy to the globe.   When China began actively setting up programs to take advantage of these policies and dominate world commerce, we see the eventual outcome.

We will see what USMCA 2.0 looks like . . .

[shooter]

We will see

I cheated n read the Last Chapter, you really don't wanna see that 

[johnnyreece]

On a side note, since the start of the conflict in Ukraine (and the subsequent increase in prices), I've been interested in using different, less-popular tubes.  For example, if you have a transformer with a 5V tap for a rectifier, but you're going SS rectifier, there's usually plenty of amperage on tap to run like a 5U8 or even a pair of 5V6, both of which can be found reasonably priced.  Maybe do an AA5-style amp (with an isolation transformer, of course).  American ingenuity!  Or, if you wanna support folks in Ukraine like I have from time to time, you can buy old Soviet era tubes from sellers in Ukraine.  No matter what direction you go, with a sharp eye, there's tons of stuff available at reasonable prices, and you can get a lifetime supply.