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ac30 layout
« on: June 04, 2014, 02:37:53 pm »
hi

i plan to build ac30. i bought the weber 6v30 kit. but i am confuse. weber layout look like little different with vintage ac30. and ac30 have many version. some is 5 preamp tube, some is 6 preamp tube.

and i want to build top boost version. but it seem have few top boost version. i just find 2 ac30 layout only.

can anyone give me some suggestion?

and i want to know where can i buy the ac30 trem and speed pots. it look like special.

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2014, 01:47:51 pm »
can anyone help?
i want to build ac30/6. but i can't find a correct layout.

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2014, 02:08:46 pm »
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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2014, 02:16:45 pm »
hi
thank you. you help me a lot a lot. thank you for your help.

sorry, i have little question. about the speed switch and vib switch. is this fit? or have any better suggestion?

http://www.tubeampdoctor.com/product_info.php?category_id=55&products_id=1571&mySID=eIHWFIg6YzN1Vsj2QsCis3

and i am still finding vox ac30 style indicator light, do anyone know where can  i buy it?

i built fender and marshall amp. but this ac30 is very difficult for me. very difficult to find the parts and layout

and i don't understand why weber ac30 layout is quit different. for example, weber suggest use 1M pot for speed and vib, but i can't find any pot 1M with switch.




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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2014, 04:50:27 pm »
1M with on/off switch, CTS and Alpha.




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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2014, 11:22:54 pm »
hi kagliostro

i don't need 1M pot with switch if i follow the layout which you sent to me, right?

and i really don't understand , even the ac30 ptp board, i can't find it.

i just find this small piece board, and i cut it and glue it.

and i am still finding correct ac30 inductor light, resistor etc........... do anyone know where can i buy it?





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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2014, 02:05:56 am »
hammond transformer is good too. but i never try it. hope i have choice to try in future.

btw, i want to buy

vintage look vox footswitch
vox style inductor light

do anyone know where can i buy it?

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2014, 02:19:27 am »
and what is the name of this ? where can i buy it?



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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2014, 02:42:08 am »
thanks

you know everything about ac30

and do you know where can i buy this? can i find it in RS or mouser?

it is look like 8 or 9 pins.



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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2014, 03:20:12 am »
« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 01:27:27 pm by EL34 »
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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2014, 11:42:18 pm »
thank you.

how about this, where can i buy it? it is hold the capacitor to the chassis

thanks

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2014, 06:24:50 am »
Seems that Doug sell only the vertical version

http://hoffmanamps.com/MyStore/perlshop.cgi?ACTION=enter&template&thispage=Capacitors&ORDER_ID=!ORDERID!

I think you can easily build a pair of those clamps for horizontal clamping cutting a thin foil of aluminium or copper or galvanized iron

if you do a google (search for capacitor clamp) you can find those clamps, the difficult part is to find those that fits in measure your electrolytic

this has the appropiate form, but I doubt you have a 2" capacitor

http://www.chiefaircraft.com/ms-21919dg32.html

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2014, 01:28:20 pm »
KWM488


Please check my store here first if possible
http://hoffmanamps.com/MyStore/catalog/partsenter.htm

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2014, 01:44:39 pm »
hi
thank you for the link

btw, i am confuse of the layout.

kagliostro,

your layout mention ac30/6TB have treble, normal and bass version. which one is better? is the bass version for bass guitar?

and in the layout, it is never mention the treble and bass pot value. but in the weber layout, it is 1M. in fact, is weber layout is not 100% follow vintage ac30? i am confuse, and i need to order the pot soon.
sorry for too much question. it looks like very difficult to find the ac30 clone information

thanks

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2014, 02:00:06 pm »
hi
and i am confuse again.

i see your schematic, the treble and bass pot should be 500k.

but i see here. the treble and bass is 1M . so which one is correct

http://www.blueguitar.org/new/articles/other/topboost.pdf

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2014, 02:25:33 pm »
There where different version of the amp for different purpose

so you must realize it in the version that inspires you more, then you can try the other small variations on the theme

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p.s.: Some years ago I verified the Weber layout and, for what I can remember, it is pretty close to the original, also if not perfectly
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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2014, 02:30:27 pm »
Hi
Understood

But sorry, please forgive me. In your zip file, it mention bass, normal and treble version different cap and resistor value. But it never mention bass and treble pot are 1M.

Do you mind to help me, the 1M bass and treble pot is what version ac30/6TB

I am newbie of vox. I built fender and Marshall all the way
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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2014, 02:34:38 pm »
And i never see people say bass and treble pot are 500k. But i find out someone say it is 1M
http://archive.ampage.org/threads/4/gadc/253846/Re_Stupid_Vox_AC-30_question-1.html

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2014, 03:24:55 pm »
for your purchases I can recommend you Doug's store

for deep details on Vox amps

http://vintageamps.com/plexiboard/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=96e48f2f1cadc215cee9dc5d7b1951d4

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2014, 01:08:43 pm »
thanks.

and i will upload my project photo here. hope to share more ac30 clone to everyone.

thanks

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2014, 03:52:08 pm »
I don't understand


Weber sells a kit and they do not provide a layout diagram or assembly instructions?

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2014, 10:50:36 pm »
sorry kagliostro

my wrong. the top boost treble and bass pot must 1MA, i see a wrong thing in your file. the file say it is 500k for the trimmer which on the board.

and weber don't have any instruction , just layout and schematic. but i compare weber layout and the vintage ac30. it looks different .
do you mind to take a look. i am newbie of ac30. ac30 looks like have a lot of version.


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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2014, 02:40:02 am »
Hi kwm488

I think EL34 would like to have an answer to the question he put

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As I told, some years ago, I compared the AC30 schematic with the 6v30 schematic and they were pretty close if not the same

however Weber layout is a bit different from Vox layout, I don't know if Weber do that for particular reasons, but so it is

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2014, 10:36:25 pm »
hi
thank you

honestly, i have big problem about building ac30 now. i need to order a ac30 combo cab. do you know who can make a raw ac30 combo cab?
the worse case will be, i make it by myself. do you have any instruction or information about ac30 cab? vintage ac30 use Baltic Birch Plywood , right?

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2014, 02:06:55 am »
I'm not a wood expert, however
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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2014, 06:59:16 am »
hi
i have that pdf file. but i hope to know more information. for example, what wood do vintage ac30 used? and do you know which USA guy or company can make that cab for me. i ask few person already. all reject to do it

btw, do you know what is the name of this parts? where can i buy it?



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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2014, 01:50:01 pm »
I'm not able to see what is that, a better resolution picture is required

(seems to be a simple wire connector, but I'm not sure)

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2014, 09:13:46 pm »
hi
better photo attach.

i think it is the mount for the wire. what is the name of this tools? where can i buy it?

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2014, 09:22:04 pm »
It's just a terminal block
Why do you think you need that exact item?




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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2014, 09:23:53 pm »
Hi
I hope  to build the amp more close to original. And this item is good, i don't need to drill the chassis

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2014, 12:17:05 am »
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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2014, 12:33:41 am »
hi
sorry , wrong photo



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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2014, 07:26:05 am »
Ah, OK, that is a metal clip retainer, now they are common in plastic

http://www.partsreplacementstore.com/product/TRail_Wire_retainer_Clips





I think that metal version is not more disposable or difficult to be find exactly like that


see here



http://www.efc-intl.com/products/spring-clips-metal-cable-clips-edge-mount-for-bundles.htm




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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2014, 01:01:07 pm »
hi
do you know what brand of this dog bone caps

thanks

sorry , EL34. it is misunderstand before. i will use output jack for speaker connection

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2014, 02:49:32 pm »
I've no brand to give you


However those are tube ceramic capacitors (to me)


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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2014, 01:57:36 pm »
hi
do anyone can teach me?
why ac30 heater is short to the ground.
please see the photo

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2014, 05:27:08 pm »
Don't look to that layout, a guy in an italian forum build an amp following that layout and found some mistakes on it that must be corrected

May be (you must control it) version 7 is correct, but version 5 isn't

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EDIT: I revised that connection with the layout draw by Stephen Grosvenor in 2005 and effectively seems correct, however my council is to don't
use that connection at all

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2014, 08:36:49 pm »
HI
But i sure ac30 heater is short to ground. Because i saw it in all vintage ac30 ,and you send me ac30 layout , heater is short to ground too.
But i don't understand why

Anyone can teach me?

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2014, 02:17:36 pm »
hi
my amp is almost finish.

just need to wire the rest of power section wire and double check. hope no any error

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2014, 01:14:21 am »
The vintage AC30's had a few problems with how they were made, and shorting one side of the heater to ground is one of them. Some of the older Fenders like my 1956 5E3 are wired this way also, and it is simpler to wire it that way but results in more hum every time. You would want to wire up the heaters like Fender did it in their blackface amps as it will result is less hum.


There are lots of Fender kits out there but AC30 kits are not as easy to find, especially something that is the same as a vintage one. There are many reasons for this, but a couple are that AC30's were not as widespread as Fenders; AC30's had some issues with how they were made that require changes to get better performance such as the heater connection as mentioned above; the chassis arrangement is unique to Voxes; the circuit is quite complicated when you also have the tremolo and vibrato circuits included.


I would suggest that you get the Vox Amplifiers: The JMI Years book by Jim Elyea. It has everything you ever wanted to know about vintage Voxes including schematics, histoary, parts used etc. Here is a description of the book >>  http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Vox_Amplifiers_The_JMI_Years. You can do a search at Amazon or elsewhere to buy it. It is an expensive book but it is HUGE and is the best book anyone has ever done about an amp company. They have all the JMI era Vox amps in there too, not just AC30's.


The signal caps used in many of the originals, and in the picture you linked (gold with a red stripe) are Wima Tropylfols. I have some that I got at surplus places in 0.22uF and 0.1uF values, but they are hard to find for other values at surplus places. You can find them on ebay from time to time but they are not cheap. They are good quality and good sounding caps though, but any modern cap such as a Sozo, Mallory 150, etc., are likely as good or better.


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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2014, 10:49:43 am »
hi
thank you for your suggestion.

btw, i wired my amp all wire. and the amp is sound great.

my MM PT have heater CT. i try to remove the pin 4 5 to ground, and ground PT heater CT. but sound changed after i do it. i don't like it. so i use back the vintage vox method.

about capacitor , i try to use sozo for my marshall superlead. and i change it to vintage mustard finally. i can say vintage capacitor sound much much more better.

btw, do anyone have vintage wima TFF 0.047uf 400v and durolit 0.15uf 630v for sell? i want to buy it
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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2014, 02:31:43 pm »
hi

i finished my ac30 clone. i think it is perfect. but when i dial the brilliant over half level, i get white noise.
is this normal? because i never own vintage ac30. and some people said that vintage ac30 have a lot of hum because their design have problem.
i don't sure , do anyone mind to help me?

and i 100% follow vintage ac30 to clone it. i used vintage wima caps, vintage erie resistor, vintage made in england filter caps. vintage made in england wire.

  i finish my ac30 clone. but i have white noise, is it normal Post height=9by kwm488 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:28 am
hi

i finished my ac30 clone. i think it is perfect. but when i dial the brilliant over half level, i get white noise.
is this normal? because i never own vintage ac30. and some people said that vintage ac30 have a lot of hum because their design have problem.
i don't sure , do anyone mind to help me?

and i 100% follow vintage ac30 to clone it. i used vintage wima caps, vintage erie resistor, vintage made in england filter caps. vintage made in england wire.

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and the video link is here.

http://youtu.be/L33txJtSDtw

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2014, 03:35:25 pm »
Very nice.
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2014, 03:37:57 pm »
Thanks

Btw, when tge brilliant vol to half, i get white noise. Is it normal?
Thanks

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2014, 03:47:00 pm »
probably
A schematic, layout, and hi-rez pics are very useful for troubleshooting your amp. Don't wait to be asked. JUST DO IT!

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2014, 04:11:51 pm »
I cannot seem to find the actual schematic you used posted.  Did you use shielded wire for the wiper of the Brilliance pot and ground on lug 3 of the pot?  Does it change when chopsticking?  If it does, you can do something about it.  I can't really tell how loud it is, but I usually go by the simple rule on floor noise.


The Brilliance circuit is different in your build than my AC15 and I cannot seem to find a readable schematic, but I would simply turn it up and poke around to see if I can find something that makes it change and address this if you find something.


BTW, great looking build!

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Re: ac30 layout
« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2014, 02:02:56 am »
For the electrolytic caps, did you use new ones or vintage ones? Using used electrolytic caps isn't a good idea as those type of caps go bad with time, and go bad even quicker if they are not used. Using bad electrolytics could cause possible problems with the amp.


AC30's do not use a negative feedback loop so as the volume is turned up they will be louder than a typical Fender amp in comparison when considering the background noise and hiss. An AC30 wired like the vintage ones as far as the heater connection will also exhibit more background hum than an amp wired with an artificial center tap on the heaters.


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