Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here

[dude]

Franco, stay safe, wishing you the best. This situation is terrible at this point it's not a blame game but a solution game. I feel like this is a horror movie and we're all staring in it, surreal. I feel so bad for the young people in the world right now, especially Seniors in High School, no Prom, no senior parties, the best year of their 12 years of school being taken away, just terrible.
I hope and pray the spread slows down, I'm just outside of the Philadelphia and cases are doubling every two or three days, they say it will get worse before it gets better.
Stay safe everyone, keep inside, here's a clip of a doctor suggesting how to disinfect your groceries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=youtu.be
 
God Bless us all

[kagliostro]

Hi Guys

Many Thanks Dude

... wishing you the best

the same to you and your loved

Franco

[PRR]

Went out for milk and doughnuts ($230 worth). Store was not busy; apparently if it were, they would stop us going in until someone came out. Blue tape on floor marking 6 feet back from counters. Plexiglass panel at the check-out. Stock was good except the TP aisle was near bare. We had to take a funny brand of mozzarella.

We are now officially locked-down.
Maine residents will now have to remain at home under Gov. Janet Mills’ “Stay Healthy at Home” mandate. The executive order goes into effect at 12:01 am on April 2 and will last until at least April 30.
“We are in the midst of one of the greatest public health crises this world has seen in more than a century,” Mills said in a statement. “This virus will continue to sicken people across our state; our cases will only grow, and more people will die.”
The order also introduced new restrictions, including prohibiting the use of public transportation unless for an essential reason and extending the termination of in-person classroom instruction until at least May 1. Essential businesses that are allowed to remain open must limit the number of customers in their buildings and have people maintain a distance of six feet apart from each other.
Residents will still be allowed to leave their homes to obtain essential food and medicine as well as for exercise and other reasons.
Maine has 303 cases of the coronavirus, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/maine-institutes-stay-healthy-at-home-order-during-coronavirus-outbreak.html

In north Italy, there is some hope that the rate of rise is slowing, maybe transitioning to plateau. Maybe. We hope so.

[kagliostro]

Ciao PRR

We are waiting and hopin for the decrease (here in the north), but I think we must wait other 15 days (I estimate)

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We had to take a funny brand of mozzarella.

I hope it is original italian, not a fake imitation from other countries 

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Last week I was out 15 minutes with my dog, my wife must go out for the job and so she goes to the supermarket I don't, I've no idea about the supermarket situation, when I was out I've seen 7 - 8 people waiting out of the pharmacy (there they accept 3 people at a time, no more) and few people inside the detergent shop (all with the mask)

Franco

[bmccowan]

It does seem that the curve may be starting to flatten in Italy. I hope so. More stores here have started curbside pickup. I hope this trend grows as it protects the public and the workers. Store employees are putting themselves in harms way to keep goods available. Some states are trying get out ahead of it - that's smart.
Be careful, stay safe, stay strong.

[DummyLoad]

franco, hope you and your family are still well. praying for all of us.

we have a really good chain here in our state that had foreseen what was coming and planned for it. most of the other chains are still trying to get onboard with sanitizing and protecting staff and clients properly. i get deliveries and until recently did curbside pickups. my MD put me on strict quarantine - e.g., cannot leave this house unless it's a medical emergency, not even to take a walk. 

all this because of one filthy open meat market...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3b7x5/heb-texas-grocery-store-coronavirus-covid-19-response?utm_campaign=sharebutton&fbclid=IwAR22bHU0KiGaXH7cc7AGeEdoCWm6macyZlliaJagueCJ2sj8lLSkGBt78Lo

--pete

[shooter]

all this because of one filthy open meat market

If things keep going, it'll be in the USA soon.

my MD put me on strict quarantine

Mine won't test me for antibodies since I'm >90% had it, came out it and should be immune for 1-3yrs, "it's not in my protocol to test for antibodies" 
the "guess" by and infectious disease Doc thinks world wide there's a "labor pool" of immune folk between 1 an 10million and for each one positive, 10-1000 will contract/recover/ready to go, (assuming typical avoidance stuff).  I have no problem making toilet paper to help 

[PRR]

>>   a funny brand of mozzarella.
> I hope it is original italian, not a fake imitation from other countries 

Wisconsin (USA). There's not much to do there, but they make a lot of cheese product.

We usually get a brand that comes in a large "brick", clearly an American factory product. Image It isn't quite American Cheese: it has "grain" and can be hard to cut. That was out of stock.

We got a small pack of "sliced mozzarella" from "BelGioioso" : Image
https://www.belgioioso.com/Products/Fresh-Mozzarella
Here is where the skilled cheese artisans work:  Image

[Willabe]

BelGioioso is a very popular brand in the Chicago area. I used to buy when I needed mots when we lived there. It's very good tasting. They make a very good 'fresh' mots too, in your pic, the soft kind.

Sorrento's very good too. I would use either without question.
 

[kagliostro]

Hi Friends

Till now my family is still well

I wish the same to ALL you

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Pete, are you saying you can't go out of house also to go to the supermarket and / or the drugstore?

Have you some healt problems that absolutely discourage the exit in this period?

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Mozzarella ...... the aspect on the link PRR posted is good, but I must test it to confirm at wich level it is 

Here we have big and famous brands that produces mozzarella, but my favorite isn't of a famous / expensive brand, I find that a small supermarket on my town (IN's supermarket, part of PAM Group) has a very good tasting brand, Valtenera and is produced with Alto Adige milk (not south Italy milk) in Varna (BZ) by Centro Latte Bressanone Cooperative Agricultural Society

Note that for us mozzarella in big pieces is mozzarella to be used on pizza, for individual use we have small round mozzarella, around 125gr each portion

When you cut a mozzarella destined for pizza, no liquid comes out, when you cut a standard mozzarella a wite liquid comes out (similar to milk) when you cut a Buffalo Mozzarella a lot of liquid comes out, but Buffalo Mozzarella is a different affair , more tasty, expensive and, at end, less used


Franco

[PRR]

BACK on topic: Italy is showing a leveling of New Cases Per Day. Good. But every day is more cases. As said, it may be weeks before the number of cases starts to fall.

My nephew from the Bronx bummed around the world and has been in VietNam for a year. (Ironic considering what VietNam represented when his dad and I were his age.) He had an early look at what was happening in China and predicted "the possibility of a world wide economic collapse and the chaos, shortages..." "real and disturbing developments that are worthy of calm concern, and of preparedness for large scale disruption.." End of January, Mongolia closed-down for two months. And that seems to be the minimum to knock the virus down, IF people really stay apart. In the US, Mar 13 was a turning-point when most State Governors began lockdowns. Way out in Maine it was encouraged but not mandatory until tomorrow. That means I'll be at-home through May.

[shooter]

He had an early look at what was happening

I like to day-trade (a great month is +300$ :)  been at it 20+ years, in Dec the minutia I look at was all wonking, bad enough I called my wife and advised her to call her guy and move into cash til Nov '20 (she didn't listen, nor did the other 5 ppl I told) I had NO clue "what it was" I just knew it was gonna be significant

As to cheese, I like a nice wedge of Assiago,(so?) a good bagel and I got a meal in my coat pocket 

[kagliostro]

Asiago ... yes, a good taste (there are also many variety of it), here we have dozens of good tasting cheese types

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Numbers about infected (here) are increasing, but must consider that they increased control swabs

As I told, here we must wait minimum 15 days and then give a look to the numbers

Franco

[DummyLoad]

Pete, are you saying you can't go out of house also to go to the supermarket and / or the drugstore?

Have you some healt problems that absolutely discourage the exit in this period?

franco, yes, i was advised to strict quarantine and, yes health issues: i have COPD and a history of CHF.

i get supplies by delivery only as of last week.

--pete

[kagliostro]

Oh, Pete, I'm very sad about that

I'll pray for you and your family

I wish you all the best

your overseas friend

Franco

[st]

Kagliastro, as a fellow European but from the north (Belgium), let me say I feel ashamed the rest of Europe hasn't had the reflex tot support Italy and Spain more than is currently the case. Best of luck to you, your family, our American friends, and anyone else on this forum!

[kagliostro]

Many Thanks st

I hope your country will have a better way on this thing

Franco

[bmccowan]

Franco,
There seems to be some encouraging news coming from your country - the rate of new cases leveling off and some very important research beginning. Let's hope this all goes in the most positive direction possible. Below is the link to an article I just read, and a quote.
Stay safe
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-antibodies.html
Next week, Veneto plans to begin collecting 100,000 blood samples from people across the region — first from thousands of health care workers and then public employees — to study in labs the antibodies of people who have the virus and those who have healed from it.
Nowhere in Italy is the pursuit of the antibody strategy more intense than in Veneto. With its wealth of resources, high-profile consultants and biotech presence, it may now be uniquely positioned to influence the global conversation and provide insights for the rest of the world.

[chocopower]

Here in Spain, right  now, president is announcing  2 more weeks of lockdown. That makes a 6 weeks total.
I work in the fishing market at the harbor,  so we keep working,  but with a lot of limitations.
We used to buy fish in auctions were the sellers "sing" the price of the product but in down auction. Is a very crowded system,  so now we are using  WhatsApp and making bids using our phones sitting in our office rooms.....  and we are having a LOT of work.... fish consuming is rising every day and we barely can serve the market demand. I mean cheap fish.  Expensive ones,  which are used in restaurants,  are going down like a stone....


Here in northwest Spain we are still in a "moderate" situation.  Madrid is being beaten hard, and we know we go next....


People, take this seriously,  please.

[shooter]

I work in the fishing market at the harbor

When I was in the Navy, that was one of my "highlights" when in port, walking the markets, watching the interactions, the people, way better than the "typical tourist" areas 

[chocopower]

We make guided visits (not now,  obviously) and we have elderly and children groups every day.

[kagliostro]

Hi bmccowan - chocopower - shooter 

bmccowan

There seems to be some encouraging news coming from your country .....

You say correctly, seems , however on the air, here, there is a new order to stay at home for other 15 days (at least)

Our Governor Zaia is really doing a good job and many smart thing are done and planned, the planned blood samples has the intent to draw a map and to give a sort of "license" to those people passed the infection as to avoid (if possible ) problems when it will be possible to go back to work

Chocopower

Here in Spain, right now, president is announcing 2 more weeks of lockdown

As just I told, I'm expecting the same thing here, this thing will go on a long time and if people don't understand they must stay at home now, it will go on further and further 

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I know fish auction downwards (I've seen it in a small town, Donada province of Rovigo, where I was born), I have not seen it many times, but I remember it very well, the action was not based on Lire, it was based on an ancient coin called shield, very fun to see 

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People, take this seriously, please.

I can only confirm and whish all you the best

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shooter

When I was in the Navy, that was one of my "highlights" when in port, walking the markets, watching the interactions, the people, way better than the "typical tourist" areas

Many years ago I with a friend organized a 20 person pulman tour of 15 days on Barcelona, I and my friend did exactly the same, the other members of our group go for Typical Tourist areas, we ..... "slums" of the port 

We didn't look for particular things, we just wanted to see people's real life

Franco

[kagliostro]

Here there is a very small tendency to have less death


Franco

[shooter]

We didn't look for particular things, we just wanted to see people's real life

Was my Favorite thing to do IN port, I gave up drinking so "real life" was an amazing thing 

[PRR]

Franco, I am glad for you, only I wish the rate would fall-off faster.

South of me, NYC and Boston are predicting a very bad week. I can sometimes pick-up Boston news-radio here and their state is urging masks even on construction sites. The bus/train routes are being adjusted because some have almost no riders, but a few near hospitals are adding service for medical workers.

I went to my doctor for a scheduled treatment today. Doc works next to the hospital. Instead of just walking in the nearest door I was told to come to the Emergency Room entrance. They asked my business, put a thermometer in my mouth, and let me in. The doctor's clerk usually asks for the small co-payment ($10 nominal, but $9 if I bring cash) but this time no mention of money. The treatment involves urine so they are always careful about germs, but this time the med-tech also wore a mask.

[kagliostro]

Ciao Shooter Ciao PRR

Here only very urgent tings are accepted at the hospital, the most of the doctors and paramedic are engaged with the infection

There is a new ordinance in my town, € 500 fine to those who leave the house without a mask or, in any case, something that covers the nose and mouth, even a handkerchief is accepted

Our governor is starting to talk about planning about restarting the activities, but he has warned us that he intends to plan now to be ready for when it will be possible to reopen, but on when this can happen, he reserve the decision to the health authority (which for the moment is still busy dealing with the emergency)

Franco

[PRR]

> Here only very urgent tings are accepted at the hospital, the most of the doctors and paramedic are engaged with the infection

This is the largest hospital in my county. We have (this morning) only two cases of COVID in this county. So they are not YET busy with COVID treatment. I am sure they will be.

This date was in the doctor's "office" (really a clinic) away from the surgery and critical-care building. And he is not trained much on virus or respiratory trouble. So he may as well take care of me (and keep money flowing in). But when the "crunch" hits I am sure he and his staff will be doing everything they possibly can to support the "flu" doctors.

I had another appointment which required mild anesthesia; that was cancelled.

They set up tents in the back of the parking lot. I suspect drive-through testing.

[bmccowan]

The rate of new cases seems to be leveling off in Italy and in other locations, including some U.S. States. Some fascinating statistical charts are on this page:
http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/covid19/
Not in those charts, but Vietnam is an interesting case - they took aggressive lock down measures very early and have fewer than 250 cases. I hope that areas, such as rural Maine, that so far have few cases can maintain vigilance and avoid a steep rise. Normally I revel in the fierce independence of my fellow rural New Englanders, but this is one case where I am toeing the line.
Stay safe, all. 

[kagliostro]

Ciao PRR - bmccowan   

Here they are talking about which will be the first industry that will open and the way to do it, but not tomorrow, of course, the date will be (hypothetically) 15 of april first tranche and 4 of may for other ativities and, maybe, people

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Abbiamo (stamattina) solo due casi di COVID in questa contea.

I hope the increase in your county will be small and go very slowly so hospital can afford the emergency the better way

They set up tents in the back of the parking lot. I suspect drive-through testing.

Near for sure that is the reason, they did the same here with that purpose

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The rate of new cases seems to be leveling off in Italy and in other locations, including some U.S. States.

That is a not simple affair, all depends on the way they take acount of the numbers and the number of controls they do, as told, not a simple affair, let's see how it will evolve

I hope that areas, such as rural Maine, that so far have few cases can maintain vigilance and avoid a steep rise

all I can do is join in and hope for the same thing

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Stay safe, all


Franco

[bmccowan]

Thanks Franco, keep on keepin' on.

[PRR]

Yes, Maine north of Portland may miss the whip-crack of more densely populated areas.

This story touches me. The author has a medical crisis very much like mine. The treatment drug will burn skin so the nurse must mask-up. Where he lives, they do not have enough masks. The alternative is surgery to take out a lot of his pee-plumbing. But then they needed a COVID test before he could schedule surgery, and he can't get one. So it seems likely that next winter(?) when they can handle "normal" work again, his tumor will be too far along even for surgery.

So I am grateful my hospital still had the mask for my nurse, this time. I'm scheduled for two more infusions but obviously "plans may change".

[bmccowan]

PRR - Best of luck with your treatments. I am sending the link to that story to a sister-in-law who is a nurse in a different North Carolina hospital. They were hoping to get more masks and more tests this week. She would help if she can. I recognize the problem as they operated on a man last week who could not be tested. Later when they got more testing supplies, he tested positive as did most who worked on his case. That sidelined more than a dozen medical staff.
As always stay safe.

[shooter]

So it seems likely that next winter

when we start all over since it's "assumed" to be an annualized microscopic thing

[DummyLoad]

Yes, Maine north of Portland may miss the whip-crack of more densely populated areas.

This story touches me. The author has a medical crisis very much like mine. The treatment drug will burn skin so the nurse must mask-up. Where he lives, they do not have enough masks. The alternative is surgery to take out a lot of his pee-plumbing. But then they needed a COVID test before he could schedule surgery, and he can't get one. So it seems likely that next winter(?) when they can handle "normal" work again, his tumor will be too far along even for surgery.

So I am grateful my hospital still had the mask for my nurse, this time. I'm scheduled for two more infusions but obviously "plans may change".

wishing you and yours all the best.

--pete

[kagliostro]

Hi Friends

I'm sad reading you

I'll pray for all you

Wishing you and yours all the best

Franco

[bmccowan]

PRR, I did forward that article to my nurse sister-in-law and her surgeon husband in North Carolina. He got back to me and said that the typical protocol there is to perform urgent surgery which is defined as surgery that is necessary to avoid a permanent medical problem that would occur if surgery is not done within 4 weeks. It seems there would be an argument for that. But of course, the best outcome is the treatment that avoids surgery.
The article, and you, make a very valid point about the medical crises affecting far more people than those testing positive. I have a heart condition and got a round of testing in just before the poop hit the fan. Fortunately the testing turned up nothing urgent - not sure where I'd be if it had.
Not much can be done about my personality disorder though.
And Franco, I pray when I walk in the woods (most days) and you are there with me too.
Stay safe and smile,

[shooter]

about the medical crises

Pam got the ok for bum hand, pulled a 12, bored (very unusual here), CT has been prioritized for Pos cases to evaluate lungs; liver,....., problems wait 

we need grown ups to start driving the bus

[kagliostro]

Today we had the news

USA is being the highest death number covid-19 country

Stay safe friends, be at home the more you can

I wish health to all you

Franco

[PRR]

Yay!! We beat Italy!! 

[shooter]

Per Capita ?

I'm too lazy to check 

[PRR]

No. The US is bigger than Italy. But the US is still rising fast and apparently endlessly, while Italy at this point had hope of leveling out (as it did).

In Maine, there have been very few proven cases north of Portland; but now we hear it is probably all through the state, everywhere.

[kagliostro]

There is a study that say that the virus rides railways and highways (here)

but if it is confirmed, I think the same thing is happening everywhere

Stay safe all

Franco

[shooter]

apparently endlessly

I would agree there, no way to analyze dinosaur spit, but I'd wager on those odds.
grief in all forms is a tough hand, regardless it's assigned name.

[bmccowan]

In Maine, there have been very few proven cases north of Portland; but now we hear it is probably all through the state, everywhere.

It seems so - even "The County" (Aroostook) now has a couple of cases. A friend's daughter in Kennebec county has it. The ER sent her home with the instruction to monitor her blood oxygen level. They did not have a finger monitor to lend, so she has ordered one from that really big river place. She is in her 30s and healthy but even still she says it feels like an elephant is sitting on her chest.
One of the problems in rural areas is that people know of only a few local cases and let down their guard.

[PRR]

Location -Confirmed-Cases per 1M people-Recovered-Deaths
Worldwide    1,807,939   232.51   415,218   112,241
USA            535,703   1,625.53   32,276   21,411
Spain    166,019   3,524.79   62,391   16,972
Italy    156,363   2,595.52   34,211   19,899
Germany    126,472   1,521.02   52,881   2,908
France    95,403   1,422.31   27,186   14,393
UK            84,279   1,268.58   ———   10,612
China    82,052   58.52   77,575   3,339

[PRR]

Sorted cases/1Million, the teeny countries take the prize. I wonder if the population is too close together, or if the health authorities can account for EVERY person so their numbers are more realistic. (Population of San Marino must be 34k, like the small city inland from me.) (Ah! San Marino is a 4-mile wide town right IN the Milan-Venice-Florence hot-spot. Even if they built a wall across highway SS72 into town they could not seal that place.)

San Marino 10,603
Andorra 7,750
Luxembourg 5,326
Iceland 4,636
Gibraltar 3,827
Faroe Islands 3,530
Spain 3,524
Guernsey 3,328
Switzerland 2,938
Isle of Man 2,712
Italy 2,595
Belgium 2,572
Monaco 2,402
Liechtenstein 2,038
Jersey 1,853
Ireland 1,814
United States 1,625

[PRR]

..... even "The County" (Aroostook) now has a couple of cases....

That's been true for a couple days. Makes perfect sense; the County is connected to the US and well-connected to Canada.

The only county without a confirmed case is Piscataquis. I thought since the lumber industry faded Piscataquis was only hikers, bear, and moose. It turns out it has people... but half as many as San Marino in 160 times as much space.

This is on the island in Hancock county:

[shooter]

turns out it has people

and they blew the annual budget on signage 

[kagliostro]

Ciao Amici

Today the newspaper say (around my town)

100 new infected (yes, not a big number, also if unwanted)

and ......

3 people that healed and became negative, at a check they made themselves positive again

and this isn't a good news 

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My best wishes to all you

Franco

[tubenit]

Franco,

Thanks for your continued updates!  I am truly sad the issue is so severe where you are.  Praying you and your family will remain well and healthy and in reasonably good spirits.

Best regards,  Jeff