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Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2020, 09:20:37 pm »
Praying for you and your country K.  :sad:

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« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2020, 04:54:25 am »
Ciao PRR :smiley:

Also here, about church, the situation is similar, not exatly the same but similar

Virus test, here a lot of test were performed but no all people can acces to it at the moment, only some comprovate situations

Don't know exactly what happen here about tele-medicine, but seems that the activity is possible, also if not so diffused

People that has leaved theyr house to go on theyr's second house is something that here happened and is officially considered a problem, the govern didn't approve this activity

In your county you are 55K, in my town we are 84K, I whish you that being in a larger territory with less people, you have less probabilities to encounter someone that is infected

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Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2020, 06:25:59 pm »
Ciao Franco.
I just decided to check the "other" threads. Glad I did. My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your county. My church is open - its the forest. I need to get back to Italy. I have tramped through the Dolomites staying at the alpine huts; spent a week in Verona (miss the Al Scalin family restaurant so bad); biked through Tuscany and Cinque Terra. I deal with Italy withdrawal by driving a 1966 Alfa Romeo GT Junior and riding a Moto Guzzi!
And Shooter - in Maine we have a store that sells groceries, clothes, guns, ammo, bait, and wedding dresses; take that. I bet PRR knows what store I'm talking about.
Please stay safe and be well.
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« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2020, 06:37:31 pm »
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And Shooter - in Maine
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pretty sure If you ask one of the Female clerks at the beerbaitngas, you'll have your dress by the next day, might be lightly used, the price will be good  :icon_biggrin:
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Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2020, 06:49:02 pm »
Franco,

PLEASE keep us updated on how you and your family are doing every few days (or less). 

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« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2020, 07:17:59 pm »
Ciao Jeff :smiley:

Till now we are well, the situation is worsening, but we resist

prospective are not good about an early conclusion

I espect that quarantine must go on also on April and May (and that may not suffice)

however we still hope 

in a few days I will update you again on the numbers of the infection

today no

sorry but I don't really want to give numbers on new infected cases and deceased people

(forgive me friends)

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Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2020, 08:54:54 pm »
Glad you & your family are well!  I am sad for your quarantine to continue so long, but if it saves lives then it's not such a terrible choice. 

I can only imagine what a challenge this has been.  I am grateful to know that you continue to embrace hope!

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« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2020, 12:57:21 am »
Ciao Jeff :smiley: ...
sorry but I don't really want to give numbers on new infected cases and deceased people

Numbers for all countries are readily available on the major new sites. Al Jazeera's coverage is very even-handed globally, with good maps, though of course more Arab-world coverage than I find on America/Europe sources.

Today's numbers for Italy are not good; I sure hope this is a blip and not a trend. I know your area has been hit hard already.

Yes, some countries have "low" numbers and we know they are just slow in finding and reporting cases.

One of our congressmen is seriously ill. Several others are in testing. We need to get these old folks to vote from home. There's major legal and historical objection.

(BTW: I said Corona was in _my_ county. Now we are back to "zero"-- the confirmed case lives in another county and the "score" has been handed-off to that county's scoreboard. But as I said somewhere, everybody has several jobs in several towns and nobody notices county lines that were drawn-up two centuries ago, before trains and motor-cars changed the landscape. So it WILL be "here", just not yet, not officially.)

With few exceptions we can not have more than 10 people together and they should stay 3 or 6 feet apart. Today was a clarification that barbers and nail-polish shops are not "essential" and must close down. (I almost got a trim last week, I will be pretty shaggy before I get a chance again.) I got a load of heating fuel today and I stayed well back until he computed the bill, stepped just close enough to hand him the check, stepped away and wished him the best of health.

My elderly parents are usually social with music lessons and drama club, all canceled. After a week in their apartment they were going stir-crazy. One day they drove around the Great Bay. Another day they looked at the crowd at the drugstore, then saw that nobody was at the hardware store. They went in and shopped, found sanitizer and other supplies.

In my town, the Boy Scouts have offered to deliver food to your porch. There's also a for-fee delivery service. The director of my parents' senior center will shop for members Monday and Thursday. (The director would otherwise be out of work.)

Masks for medical workers are in very short supply. There is a call for anybody with a sewing machine to download instructions and start sewing. Our newspaper also runs a "100 years ago today" column and in WWI, 1917, the locals were sewing dressings (bandages) for the boys at war. Stonington Women's Club, 430 dressings. (There was also a major shortage of bread flour.)

Shredded T-shirts are backing-up California sewers.

I can get craft-beer delivered to my porch by the brewer 2 towns over.

Studio 338 in London, one of the UK's largest nightclubs, is turning into a giant warehouse as a base to store food and other essential items which will be delivered by a team of volunteers. The club has called on "young clubbers" to give up their time to help those most in need.

This is in the UK but it is universal:
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« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2020, 07:23:46 am »
Ciao PRR :smiley:

Thanks for all the info

>>> One of our congressmen is seriously ill

Also here some member of the politic are infected

>>> With few exceptions we can not have more than 10 people together ...

In which places there are this limits? Here depends on where you go, at the Pharmacy near my house they allow a max 3 people to be inside the shop (as an example)

>>> A man who died following a coronavirus diagnosis was give last rites by his pastor over the phone ...

Here the church is discussing about that and some of them say it will be possible, some other are thinking to different solutions

>>> This is in the UK but it is universal

Yes, it is

>>> Shredded T-shirts are backing-up California sewers

You can do your own at home, simply using low cost dog pee mats

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Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2020, 07:10:31 am »
Franco - continued best wishes to you and all of Italy. Thank you for sharing with us.
PRR - a thanks to you too, and hoping that things stay in some form of control here.
Sharing some challenging and some good news:
Our President keeps spreading falsehoods in his daily press conferences. His Covid-19 task force tries to pick up the pieces - its not good.

My sister is a ski instructor in Colorado. Colorado has hundreds of cases and the ski industry is shut down. But idiotic spring breakers (they do not all go to Florida) stated partying on the decks/porches of the closed base lodges. Management with the help of authorities is kicking them out.

Harbor Freight is donating their entire stock of protective gear to hospitals - yay!

Tech giant Jack Ma is donating 4 million face masks and 600,000 test kits - also partnering with a famous ex boxer (Manny Pacquiao?) to donate additional masks and test kits across Latin America.

Consumer technology giant Xiaomi shipped crates of masks to the Italian Civil Protection Department, and they stapled to the side of the crates an ancient line of poetry from the Roman philosopher Seneca:
We are waves from the same sea, leaves from the same tree, and flowers from the same garden.
Siamo onde dello stesso mare, foglie dello stesso albero, fiori dello stesso giardino
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« Reply #61 on: March 23, 2020, 01:19:41 pm »
Ciao bmccowan & PRR  :smiley:

Also today we are at home but we are well

we are still waiting for a decrease in negative numbers progression

today my son, as per the new dispositions, didn't go to work, he and his wife attended to some job that they can do via internet

Oh, I forgot, today started the distribution of masks in my town

Franco
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Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
« Reply #62 on: March 23, 2020, 04:18:04 pm »
Here in Spain we know the hard days are coming. Next 2 weeks are gona be really complicated, but people is doing well.


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« Reply #63 on: March 23, 2020, 05:41:17 pm »
Ciao bmccowan & chocopower :smiley:

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Re: Kagliostro / Franco and the actual situation here
« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2020, 04:16:38 pm »
Please take all political comments and responses to political comments elsewhere.
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« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2020, 04:45:14 pm »

Franco,


I just read where Lucia Bose just passed.  It said she died of pneumonia, I hope she was not another victim of the virus.


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« Reply #66 on: March 25, 2020, 06:39:35 am »
Keep this thread about Franco
No politics or religion again
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« Reply #67 on: March 25, 2020, 10:04:19 am »
Politics, toxic, and off-point postings removed. This is a tough situation for everybody.

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« Reply #68 on: March 25, 2020, 03:00:52 pm »
Today we have been informed that Spain is in grave danger, they have more deaths than China (only Italy has more)

We are sorry

chocopower we are all with you, stay well friend

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Our governor (Veneto region) has just said that the mathematical projections are not favorable

and that the situation in our region is expected to get worse

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Today I was out of home for 15 minutes, with my dog, the previous 3 days I was closed at home

If you can, friends, stay at home

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« Reply #69 on: March 25, 2020, 06:57:09 pm »
Franco, you are are fine person. With all of Italy's worries, you still have time for Spain. May you, Italy, Choco, and Spain soon thrive. My wife and I have two dogs - such a comfort in these times.
Please take care and be safe. I have 90 employees (nothing to do with amps) and its like worrying about a large family.
To all - I think I started the political fire that others then tossed gasoline on. I am sorry, I was only trying to share policy issues with Franco. I promise not to mention Hussey General Store or wedding gowns again!
Be safe all.
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« Reply #70 on: March 25, 2020, 10:25:44 pm »
Where ever the world is going, North Italy is leading the way.

The US has been lagging badly but let's leave that for history to judge. Where my parents are the state "set up auxiliary hospitals to house the non-COVID-19 patients. They are using sports venues that are closed for lack of fans. The first was the University of Southern New Hampshire's huge basketball and ice hockey arena in Manchester. The beds are ones the Guard had in storage for emergencies like this. There are already TV pictures on WMUR showing plenty of room despite 175 pleasant looking green bed/recliner combinations.  It will be used by both Manchester's Elliot Hospital and its Catholic Medical Center. Next site will probably be New Hampshire University's sports arena in Durham. Presumably, it will be used by Exeter Hospital in Exeter and Wentworth-Douglas in Durham.
"Also, our governor got to a company in Exeter NH that has been making hospital ventilators (today's replacement for the iron lung) for years. He got them to increase production by six times. We get the first but the governor is finding additional customer's for them.
"We have stopped taking music lessons for safety's sake but intend to resume. I have been practicing almost every day on six or seven songs in five different keys. I can see my sight reading improving faster than it ever has because of the lack of pressure from weekly assignments.
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« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2020, 05:18:37 am »
Ciao bmccowan & PRR  :smiley:

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My wife and I have two dogs - such a comfort in these times.

Oh, not only in these times, I love dogs (and also PRR:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Many thanks for the info PRR I wish that US will not be engaged as we are,  all you are a great country that has great mens

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« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2020, 07:52:40 am »
So true on dogs. We've had 8 others before these two, and I miss each of them dearly.
Franco - I so hope things turn better there soon.
PRR - thanks for that info. A niece lives in Hampton NH and went to UNH. Good to hear that people are pulling together.
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« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2020, 08:47:01 am »
 :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:


When I was young my father had a hunting dog pointer, black with a white star on the chest, very similar to the colors I see in your photo


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« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2020, 09:20:07 am »
Both our dogs have great noses, are good hunters, but are totally untrained so I rarely get a shot at a bird. They may be somewhat spoiled - as shown by their taking over our leather sofa. The young one (with the white star) constantly steals socks, towels, bathmats, etc. and walks around with them in her mouth trying to get us to chase her. Its quite funny.
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« Reply #75 on: March 26, 2020, 12:05:34 pm »
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The young one (with the white star) constantly steals socks, towels, bathmats, etc. and walks around with them in her mouth trying to get us to chase her. Its quite funny.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I can understand  :icon_biggrin:

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« Reply #76 on: March 26, 2020, 12:31:59 pm »
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« Reply #77 on: March 26, 2020, 02:20:12 pm »

Fanco,
Is that you above the garage???  :l2:
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« Reply #78 on: March 26, 2020, 03:59:45 pm »
Not yet, but it will be in a few weeks, if I don't stop to eat the way I'm doing

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« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2020, 02:55:04 am »
franco, at least you are healthy! - i've piled on about 4-5Lb (2Kg) in the last 2 weeks. my dr. is not going to be happy on my next checkup!   :help:


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« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2020, 07:29:45 am »
Franco - some news outlets here in the US are reporting that the rate of new cases in Italy is slowing. I hope they are right. At my company we just cleaned out our stockroom of all protective gear N95s, gloves, face shields, etc. and donated them to two local hospitals. Drop in the bucket I know, but maybe it helps a critical need.
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« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2020, 10:07:29 am »
Ciao Pete & bmccowan :smiley:

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.... my dr. is not going to be happy on my next checkup!

My doctor wasn't happy on my previous checkup !  :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:

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... at least you are healthy!

well, fortunately, till now, it is so :worthy1: :worthy1: :worthy1:

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.... I hope they are right.

Unfortunately they aren't, there was a small recession, but number are newly increasing

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« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2020, 10:29:39 am »
I was only 1/2 paying attention, but seems in US the new #'s were 98.4% survival rate for total population.
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« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2020, 10:40:21 am »
I wish ALL of you the best

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Here they say we have a 10% of deceased, in Germany 0.5%

I think there is something odd

many say that Germany did not count correctly the numbers

the numbers seems to give reason to who say that

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« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2020, 11:11:38 am »
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I think there is something odd

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I took a probability and statistics class in High School and College, I could make any number fit :think1:

here, nobody cares about the # that got it, weathered it out and never seen a Doc.  If you want a proper sample rate, those folk are kinda important
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« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2020, 02:23:26 pm »
seems in US the new #'s were 98.4% survival rate for total population.

Yes, "now". While we have ventilators for the 'small' percent who go into acute distress. But cases are still doubling every 2 to 4 days. In maybe a month we will have more seriously sick people than beds and ventilators. We may have 10 gaspers for every machine. By May the docs will be forced to pick who has the best chance, and stack the rest to die. The NYT today has an essay about how that is working in Italy; it is too sad to post here. Your "1.6% dead" rate will rise over 5% when the healthcare system is overwhelmed. This is already happening in parts of the US.

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« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2020, 02:44:12 pm »
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Your "1.6%"
it's not mine, I just repeated it  :laugh:
n I agree, among group X, it's 80%, group Y......
Pam's home from work (hospital), the normal sick are being told sorry.... So she's on call for the CV's only, pretty sure since we're old, with underlies, we're  F :cussing: :think1:
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« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2020, 03:25:19 pm »
Shooter - I hope you and your's stay safe, and Bravo Zulu to Pam (spouse?) for her efforts. We have several relatives who are Drs. and Nurses in hospitals and they are all taking high risks to help us all. My wife and I are also geezers with underlying conditions, but we refuse to go down without a fight. And we refuse to stop helping others. In our locale, the fight is being made more challenging by a few who are having a laugh about flaunting their disregard for social distancing protocols. I guess its just a form of denial - or coping. 
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« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2020, 04:37:35 pm »
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we refuse to stop helping others.
ya, that's home here  :laugh:
She even called n ask If I could look at a GE CT that was down n no service guy for a day, I laughed.  the stuff is so 'puter FOB locked that I wouldn't even be able to get to log files, let alone diags!  I told her to come home n play with cats.

here's what she did today, said we could both climb under that way the kids wouldn't have to hunt all over the property for us  :icon_biggrin:  front-line humor  :think1:;
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« Reply #89 on: March 27, 2020, 06:11:14 pm »
Maine, today: one person died, 168 confirmed cases in 11 of Maine's 16 counties.

The state is not under lock-down orders, but some cities are; but police won't stop you just for being on the road.

How ‘stay-at-home’ orders and gathering bans due to coronavirus are being enforced in Maine
'We don’t want to make this a situation where it’s a police state' Police are relying on voluntary compliance to enforce orders, for now.
MAINE, USA — While other states—including Maine’s neighbors Connecticut, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts—have issued statewide shelter-in-place or stay-at-home orders, Gov. Janet Mills has not issued one. Mill has, however, issued a statewide ban on gatherings of 10 or more people, and ordered all public-facing non-essential businesses to close to the public.
In addition to the statewide mandate, the City of Portland and the City of South Portland have issued ‘stay-at-home’ orders for all non-essential businesses and services due to the increasing threat of the coronavirus outbreak in Maine. Additionally, the Town of Brunswick enacted a ‘shelter-in-place’ order this week.
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Some "safe" activities have become unsafe. The Appalachian Trail is very crowded with people escaping cities, to the point that hikers risk virus in crowded camps and outhouses. Apparently there's always been norovirus (my aunt was felled 2 years ago), now corona too.

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Maine family diagnosed with coronavirus says last two weeks have been ‘miserable’
The Swett family says it feels like they have the flu and a cold at the same time and their symptoms aren't getting any better.
MAINE, — Melissa Swett has a message for anyone not taking the coronavirus and precautions surrounding it seriously – ‘this isn’t a joke’.
The family said the symptoms started to build on top of each other. What started as a small cough turned into a sore throat, fever and soon after that, digestive issues.
Swett said even simple tasks like walking from one room to another are exhausting. They described it as having the flu mixed with a cold but much worse.
Last Wednesday, the family called their doctor and were told to go to Maine Medical Center for testing.
“It’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen, they call you and tell you to come in the building, then they come to the door in complete hazmat outfits,” Swett said. “They wash the building down the minute you come in, hand you a mask… and they take you into a room that’s completely sanitized, and they do the nose test.”
She said they are sleeping more than ever and can really only find relief by lying down.
“You know when you have the flu and you wake up maybe 24 hours later and you’re like ‘yeah I don’t feel great’ but you can tell that it’s going away? There’s no relief with this, the coughing is non-stop,” Swett said.
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« Reply #90 on: March 27, 2020, 06:54:40 pm »
re: masks and gowns: our top-doc says "we have an umbrella in a hurricane".
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"Every pastor’s worst fear is preaching to an empty sanctuary." So he filled the house for his on-line service:
http://www.newscentermaine.com/video/news/health/coronavirus/minister-in-saco-has-found-a-way-to-safely-fill-pews-in-church/97-a07042a9-8c5b-452f-9855-6761a7b064d6?jwsource=cl
More than 120 printed photos fill the pews at the First Parish Church in Saco during streaming services.
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« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2020, 08:01:54 am »
I wish ALL of you the best

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Here they say we have a 10% of deceased, in Germany 0.5%

I think there is something odd

many say that Germany did not count correctly the numbers

the numbers seems to give reason to who say that

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How about smokers in Italy
Is it a large part of the population that smoke?




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« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2020, 04:58:04 pm »
According to what I've read - the % of smokers in Italy and Germany is about the same.
NY Times had a good article on this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/opinion/germany-coronavirus.html It seems most likely that they took early and aggressive action - but there are other issues explored in the article too.
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« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2020, 06:36:03 pm »
Ciao Doug & bmccowan  :smiley:

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How about smokers in Italy

I really didn't know, but I'll search info about

I was a smoker for some years

No filter cigarets like Gauloises, Sax then small cigar, the dimension of a cigarette

then smoking pipe and at end regoular cigars, but I stopped a lot of years ago around 1980

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There was a news yesterday, there is a study that say that a lot of infected people show a very low level on D vitamin

Standard value will be around 70 of level - I did some examinations some years ago and I was 4 of level, so I regoularly take D vitamin (and must go on because I'm always at a low level)


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To assume D vitamin is a good thing for those who are low in level, but is dangerous for other people, so, if you want to know, have a test and ask to your doctor


Also 1 gr vitamin C (each day) is a good thing to assume, this is not dangerous if you respect the quantity, the excess is spread away

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« Reply #94 on: March 28, 2020, 07:07:27 pm »
I heard a clinical researcher explaining that it was thought that the high death rate in Italy may be due to a combination of factors, principally the old age profile, high rates of smoking and antibiotic resistant infections.
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« Reply #95 on: March 29, 2020, 04:37:20 am »
Ciao pdf64  :smiley:

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About smokers I did a search, the study (which are still ongoing) say that smokers has a 50% more probabilities to go on grave simptoms if covis-19 infected, also tey say that the reason because female people over 65 old seems to be more resistant than male is because at that age the percent of female smokers is lower than the male smokers

here a bar grafic, on the left the % of smokers, on bottom the age range

(Maschi = Male -- Femmine = Female)



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« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2020, 07:06:42 am »
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About smokers
that doesn't explain NYC, a pack of smokes is ~$10 so nobody smokes there  :icon_biggrin:
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« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2020, 10:19:30 am »
The number of people per square foot is a huge factor for NYC.
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« Reply #98 on: March 29, 2020, 10:50:50 am »
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number of people per square foot
yup,
you can go back 1,000's of years and see how that worked out  :laugh:
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« Reply #99 on: March 30, 2020, 12:05:30 pm »
Here's a very interesting ongoing report from a Dr. in Switzerland. I don't know how true all the info is, but it does raise very good questions.

Like, we do not know how many people who have died that tested positive for the virus died FROM the virus or died WITH the virus. "It is not yet known to what extent normal overall mortality has increased, or to what extent it has simply turned test-positive." (Normal yearly mortality are given in the report and given below.) 

Titled;      A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19 - Global ResearchGlobal Research ...


https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJ7FcYJ4JeLPoA5wZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTExMWc3cHQ4BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDREZENl8xBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1585616793/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.globalresearch.ca%2fswiss-doctor-covid-19%2f5707642/RK=2/RS=hQwPaUhZpOrjBZ.fi3it1DgELy8-


A few quotes;

"Northern Italy has one of the oldest populations and the worst air quality in Europe, which had already led to an increased number of respiratory diseases and deaths in the past and is likely an additional risk factor in the current epidemic."

"According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old.

80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.
Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

The Italian Institute of Health moreover distinguishes between those who died from the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. In many cases it is not yet clear whether the persons died from the virus or from their pre-existing chronic diseases or from a combination of both.

The two Italians deceased under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases).

The partial overloading of the hospitals is due to the general rush of patients and the increased number of patients requiring special or intensive care. In particular, the aim is to stabilize respiratory function and, in severe cases, to provide anti-viral therapies.
(Update: The Italian National Institute of Health published a statistical report on test-positive patients and deceased, confirming the above data.)"

"On March 20, Italy reported 627 nationwide test-positive deaths in one day. By comparison, normal overall mortality in Italy is about 1800 deaths per day. Since February 21, Italy has reported about 4000 test-positive deaths. Normal overall mortality during this time frame is up to 50,000 deaths. It is not yet known to what extent normal overall mortality has increased, or to what extent it has simply turned test-positive. Moreover, Italy and Europe have had a very mild flu season in 2019/2020 that has spared many otherwise vulnerable people."

"Important reference values include the number of annual flu deaths, which is up to 8,000 in Italy and up to 60,000 in the US; normal overall mortality, which in Italy is up to 2,000 deaths per day; and the average number of pneumonia cases per year, which in Italy is over 120,000.

Current all-cause mortality in Europe and in Italy is still normal or even below-average. Any excess mortality due to Covid-19 should become visible in the European monitoring charts."


"Winter smog satellite color picture  (NO2) in Northern Italy in February 2020 (ESA)"

https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/italy-smog.png?w=550&h=309

And in Wuhan they were protesting air pollution last year. As the air quality is very poor there.

And any major city, like NY city, would have very poor air quality. If this is a contributor, then large cities will have this against them too, making things worse over all.
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