Guns anyone?

[tubenit]

I was able to hit a 3ft circle at 1200 yrds with the next two

1200 yards!   That is quite impressive. 

My nephew in this area has a 50 cal rifle that looks somewhat similar to that.

Thanks for sharing that experience!   Jeff

[HotBluePlates]

Got to fire this little BB gun yesterday. 

Believe it or not, I've been to an indoor range where you could fire that rifle. 

[Ritchie200]

Jeff, yes I was fortunate that this guy was nice enough to give me about $12 in reloads to play.  This was on private land - about 145 acres.  Basically shooting into an old quarry as the backstop.

HBP, Wow, I had plugs and muffs and it was still not quite comfy (it still has a ways to go to beat the Major! ).  I tell people its like sitting at the starting line when a top fuel dragster takes off,  X 10, all at once.  Better behind the gun, but indoors?  Wow!  What did they use for a backstop?  What distance?  Where was this?


Jim

[HotBluePlates]

What did they use for a backstop?  What distance?  Where was this?

This was at Camp Allen, a tiny Marine installation next to Norfolk Naval Base.

It was like any indoor handgun range: ~30m long, with angled steel plate which ricochets the round into a cylindrical space above to expend its energy. One of the guys working there told us the backstop was rated up to .50 cal @ 3200 ft/sec, and had his Barrett .50 propped up in a corner.

Overall, just like any other indoor handgun range, except the target carriers were extremely oversized to allow accidental strikes from rifle rounds. There were often guys in there shooting M-14's, AK-47's, M-16's, etc.

[EL34]

Got to shoot my Roni/Glock 17
It's really smooth and you don't feel any kick
I only got to fire off less than 10 rounds
Hope to get to take it out and get more rounds off

[tubenit]

So, was it more accurate then simply shooting the Glock as a pistol?

With respect, Tubenit

[EL34]

Oh yeah, way more at fast firing accuracy.
The stock is buried into your shoulder and you are sighting down the top like a rifle

No difference taking your time and squeezing off one round


Pop off several of them and the gun stays on target way better with the Roni enclosure


It's just a fun gadget
since I have 3 pistols I decided to do this with the Glock 17

[tubenit]

That does sound like fun!

Thanks for the review!  Jeff

[kagliostro]

Do you think this 1911 can have a real practical use ?


it worth the pain ?


http://http://www.slickguns.com/product/arsenal-double-barrel-1911-45-tba


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BM-DGaNmtA0


K

[DummyLoad]

these are cool. the 30-06 is affordable. street price is around 1700.00 when you can find them. 

http://onlylongrange.com/bn36-long-range-assassin-30-06/


http://onlylongrange.com/bad-news-338-lapua-magnum/

[Ritchie200]

Franco,

The best use of dual 1911's has to be in the movie Hitman from 2007 with Timothy Olyphant and Olga Kurylenko ().

If you have not seen it, it is an awesome movie.  Lots of unbelievable fights, but the twist in the plot is great!  A good popcorn and beer movie!

Jim

[kagliostro]

Thanks

I'll give it a look

Ciao

Franco

[kagliostro]

What do you think about 17 HMR vs 22LR for rifle target use ?


Franco

[DummyLoad]

for target shooting, almost always choose the faster, flatter shooting round. 17HMR is much LOUDER than 22LR. it does generate more chamber pressure, so barrel life expectancy will be shorter than that of 22LR. how much shorter is dependent on barrel construction; e.g. metallurgy.   


--pete

[John]

But .22 LR is way cheaper, so you practice more. ;)

[kagliostro]

Thanks

I've read that 22LR can be used for target shots till 100mt  and 17 hmr till 200mt

is that right ?

Franco

[DummyLoad]

Thanks

I've read that 22LR can be used for target shots till 100mt  and 17 hmr till 200mt

is that right ?

Franco

use the .17HMR for 200m shooting. to get comparable accuracy with 22LR, we have to buy 22LR match ammo ammo that costs as much as 17HMR that can shoot 1/2MOA at 100yds. eley match, lapua midas, etc., are 22LR capable of 1/2MOA at 100yds.


--pete

[kagliostro]

Thanks Pete

Lapua will be my choice

Franco

[jjasilli]

Lots of literature on the web.  The .17 is fine cartridge, makes the .22 look almost like a toy:  https://www.google.com/search?q=17+HMR&rlz=1C1RNBN_enUS433US433&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CC8QsARqFQoTCLH4nqjUoccCFcQlHgodI5sMHA&biw=1280&bih=601#imgrc=RKbGeNEArB3-wM%3A


However, looks aside, the .22LR is a Great cartridge.  Inexpensive & accurate.  And, the soft report and little kickback is great for working on anti-flinching during the shot sequence.  If I could only have one, I'd get the .22. 


At the range my son's Marlin .22 semi-auto rifle shot accurately out to 100yds.  But at 200 yds., hard to get a 12" group.  This conforms the general scuttlebutt.  The problem is that when the .22LR bullet, at distance, breaks the sound barrier while slowing down, its trajectory becomes erratic.  The target shooter's solution is to use subsonic rounds to begin with.  However, this results in a huge rainbow trajectory at distance; and subsonic rounds may fail to cycle a semi-auto action.

[jjasilli]

Thanks Pete

Lapua will be my choice

Franco

That's a good choice, BUT you should try different brands to see what shoots best in your particular rifle.  It varies tremendously.  One big factor is headspace.  In a rimfire round this is the thickness of the case's rim, relative to the space left for it, in the Chamber at the rear of the barrel.  Ea different rifle prefers a particular headspace which can be found by measurement, trial and error. 


Usually, premium or match grade ammo will be more accurate.  It is more consistently manufactured, including consistent rim thickness.  However, sometimes a certain brand of discount ammo will shoot very accurately in a particular .22LR rifle. 


Also Accuracy may be preferred over Precision for paper target practice.  E.g., if a Rifle shoots 4" groups with discount ammo; and the Shooter gets consistent 4" groups, that's shooting with high Accuracy.  The rifle/ammo combination is not capable of better Precision.  If the Rifle/ammo shoots 4" groups, but  the Shooter gets larger groups, then improvement on shooting form is needed to improve the shooter's Accuracy.  In other words, it isn't necessary to "waste" premium ammo to know if you're shooting well.

[Ritchie200]

If you are looking to buy a new rifle, the new .17 Winchester Super Magnum might be worth looking at.  Over 3,000 fps at the muzzle and still over 2,000 at 200 yards - that's pretty impressive.  The .17HMR is 2,300 at the muzzle and about 1,300 at 200yrds. Wind drift at 10mph at 200 yards is about 7" where the .17HMR is about 18".  Most impressive is only about a 3" drop at 200yrds where the 17HMR is about 12"  I read a story about a guy who was thumping prairie dogs out to 500yrds.  I only hunt paper but that certainly shows it has a lot of energy on tap.  I would love to see a semi pistol in this caliber and give the 5.7 a run for the money.

Savage has a new rifle chambered for this and you cant beat the accutrigger for a rock bottom price around $350.00.

Jim

[tubenit]

Regarding high velocity low trajectory calibers ......................

I have a Smith & Wesson .22 Jet.   It is a .357 shell jacketed down to a .22 bullet.  It has an 8.5" barrel and was meant to shoot prairie dogs and such with a scope.  I think I only have maybe 175-200 rounds of the ammo left unfortunately.  It's not made anymore but I keep the shells & it's possible to reload them as the reloading tools do exist still.

It is a pretty accurate pistol. And it is so LOUD !!!!   Much louder then my 9mm or .38 or .357.  Not sure why but it's ridiculously loud and has about an 18" flame shooting out the end of the barrel even in broad daylight.

And .............. it has alloy sleeves that allow regular .22 ammo to be fired and on the hammer there is this pin that you move to change from rim fire to center fire.   

Jeff 

[jjasilli]

Here's one supplier of finished ammo:  https://www.buffaloarms.com/22_Remington_Jet_Ammunition%20%20_it-157963.aspx?CAT=4445

[tubenit]

Wow!   I did NOT know about that supplier for the ammo!   THANKS!

Best regards,  Jeff

[John]

It's probably super loud, and has the flame pouring from the muzzle (that does look cool, don't it?) because the powder isn't being completely burned in the barrel. If you took a .223 and shot it from a 10" barrel I bet that same thing would happen.


Of course, I think a .223 is super loud for that matter. I always roll my eyes at the guys that have an AR for a "house gun". I can't even imagine letting one off inside a house, personally. All the sheetrock would crack! 

[jjasilli]

Yes;  google:  22 remington jet reloading data  Get:  https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1RNBN_enUS433US433&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=22+remington+jet+reloading+data


Scroll down to:  pdf Lyman Manual #44 Published 1967 - Castpics

Download the pdf (dated 1967!!!)  go to Page 111

Depending on the Powder selected, powder charge ranges from about 3 - 13 grains!!  12 or 13 grains is a Lot for a pistol round.  The 3 grain loads may produce less flash.  Or, maybe use a 26" pistol barrel   

BTW: that S&W jet is a real beauty!

[Ritchie200]

BTW: that S&W jet is a real beauty!

Yeah, I was just going to post that!  Looks like a model 29.  Probably balanced real good?  Yeah, that's a lot of load for an 8.5" barrel, although it would look good in the movies!

Jim

[Ritchie200]

Jim

[DummyLoad]

Wow!   I did NOT know about that supplier for the ammo!   THANKS!

Best regards,  Jeff

reload your own. all you need is a forming die to make 22 jet from 357. plenty of load data for that cartridge and the components are cheaper than the finished ammo.


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/891742/redding-case-forming-die-1-22-remington-jet-from-357-magnum?cm_vc=ProductFinding


--pete

[kagliostro]

Yesterday I was really surprised

I went to a gunsmith friend for ordering some replacement for my Knobloch

and I have seen some 500 S&W ammonitions

I've never seen a so big caliber for a handgun





WOW !

Franco

[kagliostro]

My toy arrived 

Anschutz Match 1903





K

[EL34]

Cool 

[DummyLoad]

very nice weapon K. post target pics.   


--pete

[jjasilli]

 

[tubenit]

That is quite a beautiful rifle!  Thanks for sharing the photo.

Jeff

[kagliostro]

Thanks to all

post target pics

There are more of 40 years between my other previous shots, this is my second round with this rifle, I must do a lot of practice

However this is

Franco

[tubenit]

That looks to be an amazingly accurate rifle.  Very tight groupings.  40 yrs since your last shooting?? 

IF you are comfortable sharing? ................. how old are you?   I was born in 1950.

Jeff

[kagliostro]

Ciao Jeff

I in 1953

The rifle is a good one, officially barrels are selected for an accurancy of at least 14.7mm at 50mt

Here the lack is the shooter 

but I am confident I can improve (I hope  )

Franco

[p2pAmps]

I have an Anschutz .17 HMR and it is deadly accurate.  Anschutz is a great piece of iron

[kagliostro]

.17 HMR is a very interesting caliber unfortunately here it didn't find application because of legal restrictions


Franco

[pompeiisneaks]

Guess I should reply to this thread, I'm an ex army infantryman, I have a Ruger P90DC, Remington .308 BDL, and an AR15, not srue I recall the details, I'm a bit drunk tonight :) After Paris tonight I want to start handloading some .556 rounds...

[shooter]

out of the blue my wife says; "I think I want a gun", followed by; "I really never liked shooting the pistols"
walla, I know what she's getting for Christmas
Wanted a home defence, easy to use, built for short folks, found this and just couldn't put it down.

It's a Rossi circuit judge, 5shot 410 shotgun revolver that also fires 45 colts rounds, 18.5" barrel, pistol grip stock.
I had to *test* it just to be sure it was safe   I ran 10 shells of 4shot at 25yrds into a paper plate and 90% of the shot wound up on the plate!  Nice action, easy firing, handles well!

[kagliostro]

Ciao Shooter
Nice toy, I like it

I would like to have your opinion, I've read that revolving rifles didn't had a gret diffusion because of the problems related

to the fact that, also if very short, there is a space between the drum and the barrel and this cause the hand that hold the forestock

to be invested from shot gas, which is your feedback using the rifle ?

Franco

[shooter]

the hand that hold the forestock

Hey K, they fixed that issue by putting a gas deflector, bracket on, also very tight tolerance on the gap.  It's now wrapped for Christmas so can't give you a lot, but the ease in bringing it up to shooting position, light weight, natural feel was impressive.  I shot 5 rounds in just over 2 seconds, also nice!  heavy trigger at 11 pounds in double action mode, 5ish in single action.  For home defense, I think it will be the next best thing to a handgun for my wife.  I'll update when I get to knock some clay pigeons down!

[Jack_Hester]

I haven't kept up with this thread, and wish that I had.  I started at the newest posts and worked my way backwards a bit. 

I just picked up a Shilin barreled action yesterday.  Shilen had not produced actions for a very long time.  I ordered mine well over a year ago, and it came in last December.  But, because last Spring was so super busy at work, I completely forgot to go pick it up.  The local gun shop was very kind to store it for me.  For some reason, it just never came to mind.  Mainly because when I ordered it, I had not decided on a stock or scope.  So, I was in no hurry to get it, until I could have the stock and scope ordered. 

A bit of history that led to this build.  I had a fascination for the .221 Remington Fireball round, back in the day.  But, didn't really want it in Remington's pistol. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.221_Remington_Fireball

No convenient gunsmiths around to build a rifle, so I never pursued it.  Just as well as I didn't have the means to fund it.  Then, Remington decided to bring out a new wildcat round in a .17 Fireball. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.17_Remington_Fireball

That's when I decided to take a look.  At the time, I had a couple other rifle builds finishing up, and didn't want to jump into another.  Within the last 4 or 5 years, a new shop opened in town.  I decided to wait until they got established, which they did very fast.  They are in their second building, and have outgrown that one as well.  Early last year, I made a visit to see what they could do. 

My first order was to purchase a Shilin barrel in .17 Fireball.  Business was slow that day, because three guys were on computer terminals chasing this round.  None had heard of it.  The owner spoke up and said that Shilin was now making actions, and there was a 1 year waiting period.  It's based on a Savage action, but with several competition improvements.  The footprint is that of a Remington.  So, I made a down payment on a barreled action in this caliber.  I also ordered and paid for a new model Vortex scope.  That never came in, because of demand.  So, they applied that money towards the barreled action. 

Anyway, I brought it home yesterday, just to have it around while I've got some days off to look at it.  I think that I've decided on a Manners MCS-T4 Tactical Composite stock.

http://mannersstocks.com/tactical-stocks/

These can be had flat-top for custom bedding to my barreled action.  I'm still considering scope choices.  I already have a couple long range varmint builds, .308 and .22-250 AI.  Really heavy rifles  I'm not going that route again.  The composite stock will take care of that.  This rifle will be a not-so-long range varmint and squirrel rifle. 

I was never a deer hunter, though I've helped my neighbor drag a many one out of the woods.  Haven't cleaned one in a long while, as his son is now my supplier for deer meat.  Deer meat works much better in Brunswick Stew than beef.  I grew up squirrel hunting with a J.C. Higgens single-shot .22 .  Got almost the bag limit each year.  I graduated to a Remington Nylon 66, Christmas of '64.  It had a Ted Williams 4X scope on it.  I started getting my bag limit, from then on.  I lived and breathed squirrel hunting, while my school buddies talked only of hunting deer with shotguns.  Too easy. 

Long story winding down.  I purchased another FN M&P short action, last year, from a co-worker.  It is new in the box.  Tentative plans for it are to build another Ackley, around the .257 Roberts.  I have two of P.O. Ackley's volumes, Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders.  The first is the best for history on the man.  You can now get this one in a Kindle book. 

http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Shooters-Reloaders-Parker-Ackley-ebook/dp/B00H4IM9FA/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1449844005&sr=8-6&keywords=P.+O.+Ackley

The second is mostly his research.  That's where I took an interest in his improved .257 Roberts round.  Another story.  I'll end here.  Have a good one. 

Jack

[Ritchie200]

Ok, just took delivery on my latest toy.  It's a Walther PPQ 5" in 9mm trim.  Not only is it the coolest looking plastic gun on the market, it has the sweetest trigger I've ever felt.  Pull is just a shade under 4.5 and like most striker fire seems long.  However, it is silky smooth as glass and feels lighter than what the gauge says.  In fact it is smoother than every tricked out 1911 I've ever shot.  The real surprise is the reset - about .1"!!!  The slide is slotted to remove weight and just increases the cool factor.  This is a competition ready gun out of the box.  I can not wait to hit the range.  My Springfield XDM 5.25" is officially for sale!

Jim

[kagliostro]

Thanks for the reply Shooter


Franco

[silverfox]

scroll down for the H.R. https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269/text

Gotta bad feeling about this one, this time. Only because we no longer have representation. And the economy's shot. And I believe Trump, like him or not, has the rats scared like a cat has entered the room, or something. C2.

silverfox.

[Jack_Hester]

That is downright scary to read.  I need to go back and visit this bill several times.  Depressing to think that we really don't have representatives for the people in the government.  Like we ever truly did.  It's all about being elected to a free ride. 

As is always stated, guns are only one means for the sick and criminal mind.  People kill people with the whatever instrument. 

I, for one, really enjoy having them around.  Mostly, I like vintage.  But, precision shooters are a passion, as well. 

Jack

[kagliostro]

But, precision shooters are a passion ....

Oh, yes, it is !

Franco