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Re: Guns anyone?
« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2012, 10:52:12 pm »
My fav vids on youtube are made by "Hickock45".  He's a huge glock/1911 fan and has a really amazing backyard range.  

Just watch them all.

Another good reviewer is NutnFancy on YouTube as well.

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« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2012, 12:47:53 pm »
I found this, didn't remember which thread it was in? Don't know what to think about it at this point.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — It didn't take long for the Internet to start buzzing with conspiracy theories after the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was purchasing 174,000 hollow-point bullets.

Why is the agency that provides benefits to retirees, disabled workers, widows and children stockpiling ammunition? Whom are they going to use it on?

"It's not outlandish to suggest that the Social Security Administration is purchasing the bullets as part of preparations for civil unrest," the website Infowars.com said.

Another website, The Daily Caller, said the bullets must be for use against American citizens, "since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens."

The clamor became such a distraction for the agency that it dedicated a website to explaining the purchase. The explanation, it turns out, isn't as tantalizing as an arms buildup to defend against unruly senior citizens.

The bullets are for Social Security's office of inspector general, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes, said Jonathan L. Lasher, the agency's assistant IG for external relations.

The agents carry guns and make arrests — 589 last year, Lasher said. They execute search warrants and respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees and customers.

Agents carry .357 caliber pistols, Lasher said. The bullets, which add up to about 590 per agent, are for the upcoming fiscal year. Most will be expended on the firing range.

Some bloggers have taken issue with the type of ammunition the agency is buying, questioning why agents need hollow-point bullets. Hollow-points are known for causing more tissue damage than other bullets when they hit a person because they expand when they enter the body.

The bullets, however, are standard issue for many law enforcement agencies, Lasher said, a fact confirmed by the directors of two law enforcement training centers.

"For practice ammunition, they do not have to be hollow-points, but hollow-points are the normal police round used for duty ammunition due to their ability to stop when they hit an object as opposed to going through it and striking more objects," said William J. Muldoon, president of the International Association of Directors of Law Enforcement Standards and Training.

"Six hundred rounds per year for training, qualification and I would assume to carry on duty is not out of line at all," said John W. Worden, director of the University of Missouri's Law Enforcement Training Institute. "Hollow points are carried by law enforcement all over the country and are probably the preferred type of ammo no matter what caliber."

The episode illustrates what can happen when a seemingly salacious tidbit gets amplified and embellished on the Internet.

A few weeks ago, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration had a similar dustup when it solicited bids for 46,000 rounds of ammunition and shooting targets, seemingly to arm workers at the National Weather Service. It turns out the notice had a clerical error and the bullets were for NOAA's Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, the agency said.

Social Security's turn in the pillory hit a crescendo when Jay Leno joked about it in a recent monologue on "The Tonight Show." ''What senior citizens are they worried about?" Leno asked. "I mean, who's going to storm the building?"

Lasher said, "That's why we opened a blog post. We were getting a lot of inquiries and the blog gave us a vehicle to put all of the accurate information out there in one place, so that those who are interested or concerned can read what the real story is."

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Re: Guns anyone?
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2012, 10:30:03 am »
Hey, I see that Magnum Research has a nice 30-30 revolver, now.
'Only' 17 1/2 inches long.  :laugh:
Almost makes their Desert Ego look small.
It's so outrageous, I want one.

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« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2012, 10:08:26 am »
Anybody ever suspect that all those hollowpoint bullets purchased by homeland security are being given to Obama's friends in Pakistan?

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« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2012, 10:19:29 am »
Anybody ever suspect that all those hollowpoint bullets purchased by homeland security are being given to Obama's friends in Pakistan?


The CIA can get all the crazy types of bullets they want and give them to whoever they want
I suspect more that they are intended for future civil unrest
Things are not going to look very good starting next year

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« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2012, 06:55:05 am »
I know this might be coloring outside the lines a little , but here is another theory! All these guys and gals that can carry guns in their jobs, really like to shoot and are spending time at the ranges that are free for their use as part of their job description. I came up with this theory after spending a day at the range and realizing there was brass embeded (I don't know how deep) in the ground all around every station....and a lot of people  pick up brass to reload.....It sounds like they bought massive amounts....
I fired off 300 rounds .....granted I hadn't been shooting for a while, but that was one guy in a couple hours ....If you do the math, realize that they might enjoy shooting and can shoot often ....it's really not that scary to me........then again they may be getting ready to put us all in concentration camps....
I just don't know :l2:
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« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2012, 12:44:17 am »
May be part of this too:

Illuminati Warning: Martial Law Plans Revealed?

who knows... those that do, won't tell us either way, or would deny it, even if it was true.
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« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2012, 06:35:03 am »
Yes, massive terrorist attacks  :l2:

This makes perfect sense.  :w2:
We should all give up every last one of our rights and privacy so that we can all feel safe and sound.

I tend to point to what's happening in Europe right now with massive demonstations and police having to deal with very large angry crowds. And this situation is getting worse by the day.

Do not be surprised to see the same thing happening here in the good old USA when the curtain is pulled back and the financial system takes a massive dump.


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« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2012, 02:25:31 pm »
As far as the response from the SSA, bullsh*t. I don't believe anything this government says. As for the Glocks and kabooms, the hexagonal barrel is not made for firing lead bullets. You can shoot them in the standard Glock barrel, you just have to clean it every 100 rounds or so. I don't know the specifics of the kabooms mentioned earlier so I can't really comment on them.

I have a G-30 that I carry. I like the .45 as I used it in the Marine Corps and I've seen what it can do. As a matter of fact, the Marine Corps just announced that it was returning to the .45ACP. I don't know the specifics but I'm sure you can look it up online. I do know that they purchased somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000 of the new .45s. I'm not against any other calibers as I have some of them, too. I really like the .357 magnum. I can load light loads for target shooting/plinking, massive loads for hog hunting and self defense rounds, also. I have a 4" GP-100 that is probably the toughest gun that I own. It's a lot of fun to shoot, too!
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« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2012, 07:13:56 pm »
Just noticed this topic.  I'm Archery Co-Chairman and Archery Range Officer at the Metropolitan Rod & Gun Club in Brooklyn, NY.  My son, who leaves in PA, & I have recently gotten into reloading, mostly for his AR-15 in 223 Rem; then 30-06; 338 Win Mag and soon 7mm Mauser.  Our best 5 shot groups with his AR-15 fit inside the diameter of a penny at 100 yds. Lately we've had trouble getting the headspace right while resizing brass for his AR-15 -- the chamber is cut for 5.56mm.  Thinking maybe a Wylde, min SAAMI 223.  or custom barrel might help with chamber dimensions.  (Also have a couple of Glocks and a Keltech in 9mm). 

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« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2012, 08:10:34 pm »
Funny you should mention AR15.
My buddy is building me one from scratch right now

I'll post some pics when he gest it finished

Can't wait to take it to the range and see how she performs

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« Reply #61 on: November 29, 2012, 09:13:17 am »
This one?  http://nemoarms.com/portfolio/tione-serial-no-1titanium-308-battle-rifle/

They're great for throwing in the back of the truck to go plinking down at the range ;)
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« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2012, 09:21:32 am »
That one looks slick, hate to see what it cost

My buddy is a gunsmith
He buys all the parts and assembles them custom

He is only charging me $750 for my AR15

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« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2012, 10:56:50 am »
Doug,

That's a great price for a finished AR-15.  These puppies are all bolt or pin together sets of assemblies, much like a Fender guitar.  They can be built, rebuilt & customized to taste with lots of different features, that appeal to you the user.  For the most part you don't need gunsmithing experience, though special tools can be needed for some projects. With your hands-on experience on guitars, amps, bikes, CNC, etc., you could build or customize your own AR.  There are DVD's, manuals, youtube video's etc.

Some DIY stuff we did to my son';s AR-15:  free float handguard with lo profile gas block; Burris 3 - 9X  scope on lightweight rings.  Locking buttstock (has 2nd lock mechanism to eliminate wiggle) + adjustable cheekpad.  Cheek weld to the stock is an issue with these weapons, due to the in-line barrel configuration.  Shimmed the rear scope ring for about 15 MOA forward tilt (also re-ground the the innder scope ring surfaces).  This gets the center of the scope on target -- another issue with AR's due to the height of the scope of over the line of bore.   Little rubber wiggle remover between upper & lower receivers. 

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« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2012, 11:05:33 am »
Cool, I'll have to figure all that out once I actually have mine in hand


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« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2013, 09:44:11 am »
My newest addition is an AR15

I have several accesories on the way
A scope, a couple laser sights, a hand guard with rails on it.

I wanted a rifle to round out the pistol and shotgun arsenal and here's me new toy

This thing shoots really nice
I was hitting the targets with iron sights at 100 meters no problem (sitting with the gun propped on a bean bag rest)

I thought I would grab one before those idiots in Washington con the public into thinking that everyone would be safe once all assualt rifles have been crushed and burned.
Pisses me off so much I joined NRA last week


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« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2013, 04:07:06 pm »
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grab one before those idiots in Washington con the public into thinking that everyone would be safe once all assualt rifles have been crushed and burned.

I can appreciate your view point!  I'm not keen on D.C. at all and definitely not supportive of the liberal agenda regarding the 2nd amendment.

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« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2013, 04:14:02 pm »
Very nice indeed. It's impossible to find anything even close to an AR-15 around me (Chicagoland area, including NW Indiana).

I did buy my first gun this Saturday. An FN Herstal FNX-9mm. It's a peach :)
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« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2013, 05:39:57 pm »
You did not say which model blew up



You would think that law enforcement officers would not want to use something that blows up.
Or maybe the officers all in love with guns that blow up?

Just asking logical questions






guns that blow up ..was it this one ,,, charlene,,,,LOL :l2:

well once i finish with building amps ,,its  fun making amps ..

this is just  a thought

if all starts to go bad .this will maybe a good hobby..

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« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2013, 10:23:38 pm »
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I can appreciate your view point!  I'm not keen on D.C. at all and definitely not supportive of the liberal agenda regarding the 2nd amendment

Their main agenda is to disarm the american people
It had nothing to do with school kids
That's just their vehicle to con the american public
And the sad part is that many people are dumb enough to go along with it

rifles today, pistols next year, shotguns the year after

You could drive a car onto a playground and take out a ton of children, but do you think they would ban cars?
You could run through a shopping mall with a large knife and take out a boatload of people, do you think they would be able to ban knife sales.

Think about how nice it must be to live in Great Britan and then think about what we have here.
England-Living on an small island, surrounded by water, no guns and security cameras on every street corner

It's imperitive that we protect the constitution and our civil liberties
The founding fathers were not stupid
There is a reason they drafted those documents the way they did

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« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2013, 11:37:35 pm »
It's imperitive that we protect the constitution and our civil liberties
The founding fathers were not stupid
There is a reason they drafted those documents the way they did

Yep, they where very smart.


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« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2013, 07:13:19 am »
hi

its more safer in the USA then in great britain.

poor school kids ,,,,,,,my heart is cracked

so ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

we had this new gun registry here that wasted a few billion dollars .
thats what will happen,, waste money.
i had two phone calls from the police here to register my 22 ruger . my other guns were registred .
well they said ,, felt like a threat . come to my house and charge me ..

i said no.... not registerying it . they never came . the law has now been dropped .


your government should go back to school to learn some math ..then they should be able to count money .

my provincial government as well. ONTARIO >what a nut we just had here .

the look on the presidents face ..to me its a scared face .
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« Reply #72 on: January 23, 2013, 08:09:04 am »
Pisses me off so much I joined NRA last week




I've been a member for years , glad you joined the team......I have gotten a few people to join over the years ....a giant surge of members will send a great message......I hope it is enough ...the grab has DEFINATELY begun in earnest ....

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« Reply #73 on: January 28, 2013, 07:59:40 am »
I only have about 2,000 rounds to defend myself from my government.
I think I may need more.

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« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2013, 09:59:24 am »
Their main object is to disarm the american public

The government no longer has any regard for the constitution
Their main vehicle is to lay some bs story on the general public and get them to go along with it

More children are killed in automobiles than any other method
They should ban automobiles or maybe just a law that says that no children can ride in them

Hows that sound for logic?



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« Reply #75 on: January 28, 2013, 11:22:11 am »
EL-34:  Congrats on your new AR-15!

BTW: I thought politics was banned here, but it looks like EL-34 is an "offender"!!   :l2:  Let's suffice it to say that I agree with your views on firearms, the Constitution, the FED, etc.

Anyway, AR's are surprisingly accurate, as you describe.  It can become addictive.  If you want to get in to accuracy or hand-loading topics, keep posting!

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« Reply #76 on: January 28, 2013, 11:49:02 am »
I tried to explain this to a former member
Complaining about the US government and how screwed up it is is not politics to me

To me politics is arguing about this candidate compared to that one, and all that BS

I don't have a party and am not involved in politics so I don't care about politicians

The main goal of all politicians is to get elected and then re-elected and stay in office
They would never do what is right for the country because that means telling the truth to the public
Then that means they will be voted out of office.
So there's your catch 22 and my take on the government

Soon enough 50% of the population will be sponging off the remaining working population as government bloats even more and US citizens continue to vote for free hand outs.

If a politician had the backbone to say, hey, we need to reduce the government and all these free programs, they would not be in office very long
Instead of trying to collecty more taxes, how about reducing the oversized and bloated government

So I am not arguing about republicans or demorats because they are all just in it to protect their jobs

Feel free to post about governemt crap but don't start arguments about Romney VS Obama, that's politics, IMO 

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« Reply #77 on: January 28, 2013, 12:34:44 pm »
The statement is often quoted as "In a democracy, people get the government they deserve," and often attributed to Alexis de Toqueville ... but it's hard to verify where he said it, and even whether he really did. . . However, there is a similar and well-documented quotation by Joseph de Maistre: "Every country has the government it deserves (Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite") One of the sources below gives its origin as de Maistre's Lettres et Opuscules Inédits vol. 1, letter 53, written on 15 August 1811 and published in 1851.  http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081021103757AAbfmpx

You can blame politicians and lawyers (BTW: I'm both), but the American ideal as held by the People has morphed from "rugged individualism" to a sense of dependency & entitlement.  How did this happen?

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« Reply #78 on: January 28, 2013, 12:45:23 pm »
You got that right

Entitlements and more Entitlements
The general public loves to vote for more and more of those and they will vote against any politician that they think is gonna remove their free ride
They must think the money just magically appears in the US treasuries bank account
The government and all these people getting free rides will consume the nation until there are no more tax payers to support the ponzy scheme

I have paid social security since 1970 and I am entitled to that since I contributed alot of money, but this whole welfare state thing is getting out of control

It's getting really bad and I do believe that any system is only meant to last for a certain period of time before it collapses from it's own stupidity

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« Reply #79 on: January 28, 2013, 02:24:28 pm »
I have paid social security since 1970 and I am entitled to that since I contributed a lot of money,

And so an entire nation has been co-opted into a sense of entitlement, which grows & grows.  There's another way of looking at this - that the money you "contributed" has been misappropriated from Peter, and given to Paul.  But I don't want to get into an argument.

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« Reply #80 on: January 28, 2013, 02:33:14 pm »
Argument about what?
I am not talking about people who have contibuted to social security

There are way more entitlements out there than just social security



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« Reply #81 on: January 28, 2013, 03:15:21 pm »
I'm suggesting that Social Security was a significant step in the direction which helped pave the way to where we are today.

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« Reply #82 on: January 28, 2013, 03:46:19 pm »
Per Dictionary: Entitlements are laws based on concepts of principle ("rights") which are themselves based in concepts of social equality or enfranchisement.  (now who was it that originated the idea...Marx?....Lenin?....)

SS (should have been) is just a government run pension.  Those are two completely different concepts.  SS is not an entitlement if I pay into it for an eventual return.  Unfortunately SS was set up by politicians who insisted they were smarter than the rest of us.  The fact that it was robbed only points to those responsible in Washington who should be in jail for fraud and extortion.

We recovered from the hypocrisy known as the "New Deal" through some tough legislation and a major party swing - but that was way back before Christmas trees offended people.  We are still feeling the increasing pain of Johnson's Hypocrisy Part II known as the "Great Society".  Now we have the overbearing weight of Hypocrisy Part III known as Obamacare. What I'm afraid of is that after my own government, what will be the next major threat?  I think it will be from the entitled.  When the checks stop coming, who is it that will be revolting in the streets?  Having lost their cultural DNA long ago to be productive citizens, what will be left for them?  I'm afraid it will be these people who I will be defending my family against.

jjasilli - Yeah where has all the "rugged individualism" gone....  Yet it still amazes me that although the latest cutting edge product may not be manufactured here, it was thought up and designed here.  BUT the person who risks everything on a daily basis to build a company, gives of their their blood, sweat, and tears 24/7, employs people, and somehow manages to be successful - is then demonized for that success by an extreme, polarizing administration.  The business owner is forced to pay even more taxes for those who are capable and yet do nothing, or regulated into extinction.  Bad successful people!  Sounds like a recipe for economic recovery....

Oh, and not to split hairs..but the basic premise of our country is that of a Constitutional Republic.  The Founder's feared a democracy.  However, when you ignore the Constitution, you are nothing more than exactly what the Founder's feared.  Darn lawyers and polititians! :wink:  I'll refrain from my Mark Twain quotes.... :icon_biggrin:  I have good friends who are fantastic attorneys who can sleep at night (an oxymoron?!?!) - and who are also in local and state politics.  We may not agree on every single thing, but they are fierce defenders of the Constitution.  IMHO, that's the way it should be.  Once you establish the rules, a healthy debate based on that unchanging premise is good for everyone.  To bend or ignore it to suit your agenda is utterly reprehensible.  

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« Reply #83 on: January 28, 2013, 03:59:55 pm »
I'm suggesting that Social Security was a significant step in the direction which helped pave the way to where we are today.

Woah!  Don't fall into the typical politician "philosophy" that this was your money to do with as you pleased!  It should have been protected and isolated from spending.  The fact that it is near bankruptcy is completely on Washington.  Assigning blame does not change where we are today.  It is just another on the long list of taking from the productive to push an agenda.

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« Reply #84 on: January 28, 2013, 07:32:09 pm »
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« Reply #85 on: January 28, 2013, 07:53:59 pm »
I'm suggesting that Social Security was a significant step in the direction which helped pave the way to where we are today.

And the New Deal.

I have been told that Social Security was supposed to be temporary when it was enacted, to get people through the Depression. I am too lazy to document that though.  :icon_biggrin:
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« Reply #86 on: January 28, 2013, 08:21:49 pm »
I have been told that Social Security was supposed to be temporary when it was enacted,

i believe that was federal income tax - civil war era. to help raise money for and pay for a war and the birth of internal revenue service. 

i believe that SS was enacted with the intent to be permanent.

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« Reply #87 on: January 28, 2013, 09:04:20 pm »
Sorry, I guess I helped hijack this thread which was supposed to be on guns!

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« Reply #88 on: January 28, 2013, 10:32:33 pm »
jjasilli - Sorry!  Now that I went back and re-read your post I think I misunderstood your statement - yes I agree with you.  Sorry about that!  And we are talking about guns and the possible need for self defense!

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« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2013, 06:20:44 am »
LOl,
It's easy to get people going on the Federal government topic.

Anyone seen any polls on how the population is voting on this gun issue

One that I took showed that the majority were not in favor of banning assault rifles
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« Reply #90 on: January 29, 2013, 08:56:57 am »
Why a constitutional republic?
I once saw democracy defined as two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch.

Most of my friends have given up on voting and are just stockpiling ammo.

I'd like to see congress pass a law to stop 'borrowing' from SS and force all the other alphabet agencys to pay back what they got from it.

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« Reply #91 on: January 29, 2013, 09:16:07 am »
I'd like to see congress pass a law to stop 'borrowing' from SS and force all the other alphabet agencys to pay back what they got from it.

They can't, there is no money
Where does this magic money come from?
We are so deeply in debt that any rise in interest rates will tip the whole system over the cliff
We would not even be able to service the interest on the money we owe

The system is all based on borrowing money, debt and a currency that is backed by NOTHING
It has taken 40 years since Nixon took us off the Gold standard (Bretton Woods) to get to this point with our current FIAT money system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system

To top it off, we are in debt to a private corporation (The FED) who prints money out of thin air (The biggest Ponzi scehme ever invented)

It has already tipped too far the wrong direction and they have mortgaged the future of all generations to come

It's very sad to see happen

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« Reply #92 on: January 29, 2013, 09:31:35 am »
Most of my friends have given up on voting

That's a big part of the problem.

The people who are getting "free" stuff are still voting. While the people who are paying taxes are giving up.

Their counting on this to happen. That's why they are "giving" stuff away for "free". If the people are dependant on them they will always be voted in. Their buying votes with working/tax paying peoples money. They want people dependent on them, government.    :BangHead:      :cussing:

Europe did this for several decades. They ran on giving the people "free" stuff and the people bought into it. They told them they deserved it. Now look at them. Riots in the streets and it's just getting started.


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« Reply #93 on: January 30, 2013, 07:54:34 am »
jjasilli - Sorry!  Now that I went back and re-read your post I think I misunderstood your statement - yes I agree with you.  Sorry about that!  And we are talking about guns and the possible need for self defense!

Jim

Vulcan mind meld!?!  At first reading I thought your post was in disagreement, but soon concluded you were actually agreeing.   :occasion14:

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« Reply #94 on: January 30, 2013, 08:11:21 am »
It's hard to find reliable opinion polls on public support of "gun control" or an "assault weapons ban".  Here's one thing  I googled:  "Sixty-three percent of Americans said they favor a nationwide ban on assault weapons, according to a 2011 CBS/New York Times poll, and 63 percent favored banning high-capacity magazines that hold many rounds of ammunition. . . We found, in a 2011 survey we conducted for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, that 57 percent of Americans support a law that would limit the size of ammunition clips so that the gun could not fire more than 10 bullets without having to be reloaded. Only a third, or 34 percent, of Americans opposed that law."  http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/15/public-agrees-next-step-is-gun-control/

Nevertheless, in our democracy a dedicated vocal minority can often get its way.  This is a well-known issue appropriately called Tyranny by the Minority.  Gun control activists, even if a minority, have the political benefit of fervent, personal devotion to their cause coupled with solidarity.  By analogy, if one labor union goes on strike, other unions are likely to honor it.  I think gun owners are more individualistic and lack solidarity.  In my experience an upland bird hunter who uses a double-barrel shotgun may not care if some else's AR-15 is taken away.  Worse, they may even favor it to pacify the noisy gun control advocates.  Such lack of solidarity and personal political activism on the part of gun owners is a practical problem. 

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« Reply #95 on: January 30, 2013, 11:19:27 am »
Back around 150 BC a Roman Senator noted that once the Senate realizes that they can bribe the people with their own money the Republic is lost.
Soon after that the Senators began giving away tax money to different groups that they needed to buy votes from.
Not long after they entered into the Empire of Rome, which lead to the decline.

Sound familiar?

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« Reply #96 on: January 30, 2013, 11:55:27 am »
Good info.  I'm familiar with this principle from "The Prince" by Machiavelli (who gets a bad rap by taking a coldly rational view of the affairs of State, rather than a passionate or compassionate one).  He warns that a Prince is easily tempted to pacify the people by granting them boons, but the downside is that this depletes the state's treasury, which in turn leads to higher & higher taxes, etc., which in turn leads to more public discontent.  Anyway it's interesting that this problem is not confined to democracies.

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« Reply #97 on: January 30, 2013, 12:45:10 pm »
Back around 150 BC a Roman Senator noted that once the Senate realizes that they can bribe the people with their own money the Republic is lost.

Yep.

He warns that a Prince is easily tempted to pacify the people by granting them boons, but the downside is that this depletes the state's treasury, which in turn leads to higher & higher taxes, etc., which in turn leads to more public discontent.  Anyway it's interesting that this problem is not confined to democracies.

Yep. 

If you look at how at how dictators get in power by revolution thru history, it's pretty much the same. The nations economy is in shambles and he comes in as the hero with a way to save them.

He tells them it's not your fault and points to some group of people, whether by race/nationality or standing/sector in their nation and blames them. He/they use the peoples angry, fear, etc, to ride on and once the revolution is over and all the blood is shead there's no turning back. Now their trapped by the new powers in place and the utopia they were promised by getting rid of the people who where the "problem and cause of their misery" never materializes. And in reality it's much, much worse.


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« Reply #98 on: January 31, 2013, 11:27:14 am »
. . .and speaking of double barrel shotguns:  http://pjmedia.com/blog/misfire-joe-bidens-shotgun-vs-rifle-comments/

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« Reply #99 on: February 09, 2013, 01:01:00 pm »
Guys,

For any of you who are reasonably experienced shooters or consider yourself a decent shot .......................

I hope you can give some type of reference point of how I am doing shooting?  Most of my experience is with a revolver with 8.5" barrell in an outdoors setting.  With that revolver I can consistently shoot groupings that fit inside my hand at around 30 feet.

Now I'm shooting a semi-auto 9mm & I have very very little experience with semi-auto pistols.

Today is my first experience with that gun. I admit to being a total newbee at shooting a semi-auto.  

I took it slow and shot in groups of 5.  At around 30 ft, I shot 14 of 40 shots within the area of my hand.  8 of those within the area of my palm.  The last 5 shots today were all within my palm & 3 of those  within a half dollar.

I am better with the revolver at this stage.

My only reference point was looking at the guys next to me and their target shooting which wasn't that great. However, my guess is they probably are fairly new to shooting given what I saw?  And I think they were using a 45?

At 30 ft, what type of groupings would be reasonably good?  Am I headed the right direction on this?  I have far more experience with shotguns and rifles so I don't know what "above average" would be?

Thanks,  Tubenit



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