Guns anyone?

[EL34]

01/22/2013
A few new additions to my aresenal

Glock 26 (taking the concealed carry course and carrying this one)
Glock 17 with laser
AR15 (more accesories on the way for this one)
Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun with tactical LED flashlight

[tubenit]

I like the Glock alot. Cool.  Never been a big fan of Ruger, so I think you did good on this one.

Since I used to hunt quail, ducks, dove, etc.......    I guess I am still partial to a more normal shotgun since it's what I'm used to.

With respect, Tubenit

[EL34]

The Mossberg is a Zombie Killer/riot gun, not a hunting gun

This may be more to your liking

I have a 20 gauge bird shotgun from 1944
My dad bought it at a hardware store when he was a kid

It is a Harrinton & Richardson USA made 20 gauge, single shot shotgun

I hunted Pheasant with this when I was a kid
It is super light weight, with a 30 inch long barrel

I have not shot it in many years

[rafe]

I know a little about guns  , first off if you rack that shotgun and the zombie doesn't run away,then he definately needs shooting. Second if you shoot someone with too low a caliber and they notice it,they are going to be angry.And most people that carry a .45 do so because they don't make a .46.Oh  that single shot 20 should always be carried empty unless you are hunting (to and from empty). I may be wrong but no safety? I had a Single 20 when I was young and loved it but it was an accident waiting to happen if not respected (more so than most.)

[EL34]

if you shoot someone with too low a caliber and they notice it,they are going to be angry

The difference between what a solid point and hollow point does is massive
Hollow point bullets in a 9mm get the job done nicely.
I have mostly solid point target ammo for the Glock, but I keep one clip loaded with 17 x hollow point 9mm rounds. Hollow point ammo is very expensive compared to target ammo.

Homeland security purchased over 450 million hollow point bullets a few months ago.
Hmm, I wonder what those are for?

That 20 gauge has not been shot for probably 30 years?
You have to pull the hammer back before it could be fired, but you could carry it just like a trap gun, with it broke open, if you were nervous about it going off

[LooseChange]

A little off topic but trying to tie some amps in to this thread. :-)
There is a very large shop north of here, near the Canadian border, in NY State called Dick's Guns, Groceries Gas and Guitars. Seriously, they have an incredible collection of Guns and Guitars to go along with your gas and groceries.

[EL34]

That's quite a combo of items all under one roof

[Jack_Hester]

The difference between what a solid point and hollow point does is massive
Hollow point bullets in a 9mm get the job done nicely.
I have mostly solid point target ammo for the Glock, but I keep one clip loaded with 17 x hollow point 9mm rounds. Hollow point ammo is very expensive compared to target ammo.

Homeland security purchased over 450 million hollow point bullets a few months ago.
Hmm, I wonder what those are for?

That 20 gauge has not been shot for probably 30 years?
You have to pull the hammer back before it could be fired, but you could carry it just like a trap gun, with it broke open, if you were nervous about it going off

Been away too long.  Another Spring outage season has run its course at the plant.  Hopefully, the Summer will be a quiet one of generating.

I use Rainier plated bullets for my practice loads.  When I was in the Army, I was allowed to qualify with a .45 sidearm, as I carried one to 'motor' the the guards to their post when I had guard duty.  I got into a discussion about ball ammo versus hollow point ammo, with the Armorer one night.  He swore by ball ammo in the .45 ACP, saying the slow velocity and large slug made for a sledge hammer that would stop your heart, even if it didn't penetrate.  That stuck with me.  Many years later, a friend and I made the comparison with hollow points.  The end result was just about the same, except the .45 ball made a bigger mushroom. 

Jack

[John]

I love my Glock (among other things)

A couple 9mm on target are far more deadly than a half dozen .45's that missed. And too many of the guys I know personally that insist on shooting a .45, can't shoot.

Caliber matters, placement matters more. Been a lot of deer taken in the moonlight with a .22 in the brain.

But these days, I'm way more into building amps and making music than I am shooting. I blame you lot for that!

[EL34]

My Glock 17 shoots very smooth
No huge kick to the wrist
And 17 shots in a clip is nice
Therer are 30 shot clips available also
I have only ran a couple clips through it, just got it last month
I need to take it out with the new laser and see how cool that is.

I have not shot the Mossberg shotgun yet, just got it.
Looks like it could be a handfull when shot from the hip with the pistol grip
The pistol grip comes off real easy and there are other stocks you can add
Like a tactical folding or collapsable, etc

[DummyLoad]

in utopia texas there is (or at least used to be) a store on the edge of town with sign that has two words in rather large print.

LIQUOR

GUNS

and in smaller font...

Drive-Thru Service

ya, mabel, giime a six_o_lone_star, a bottle o beam, anna box 30-06...

whatta buncha' hicks!   god bless texas! 

[rafe]

when it comes to zombies a sidearm is just that....a 12 gauge with a lot of shells (OO) is the prefered weapon unless you happen to have a water cooled machine gun handy......And hey you don't have to defend your weapon of choice but it MUST count when it defends you 

[tubenit]

I'd like to have a rifle also.    How about an AR15?

It's a good gun.

Yeah, I like your shotgun.  That would work.

With respect, Tubenit

[billcreller]

I had a lot of guns in the 50s, mostly hand guns.  My favorite back then was a single action Colt 45 "peacemaker"  I also had a Mannlicher Schoener 270 rifle that I bought in Austria.  Only gun here now is an old single 20 gauge, which hasn't fired in many years.  Been thinking about a short barreled 12 gauge pump, for around the house....

[HotBluePlates]

... And most people that carry a .45 do so because they don't make a .46.Oh  ...

 

Yes! I miss my .45 Kimber. I heard some story about Kimber making a .46 soon?? 

Homeland security purchased over 450 million hollow point bullets a few months ago.
Hmm, I wonder what those are for?

The military can't use hollow points because of the Law of Armed Conflict. Seems when you're trying to kill your enemy, you don't want to cause undue suffering. Of course, you can keep lobbing grenades at him...

Perhaps Homeland Security figures potential terrorists deserve all the undue suffering they have coming. 

Of course, there may be an advantage to picking off zombies BEFORE they get into range of a shotgun:

Now the M1A/M14 IS surely a fine weapon. If I only had the spare cash, and a place to actually shoot up cinderblocks, I'd get one in a heartbeat.

I almost had a chance to score a full-auto M14 for $400 once. In hindsight, it is probably good the deal didn't work out. Regardless, .30 full auto without the weight of typical machine guns doesn't seem like a good way to stay on target. But it sure would be fun!

[EL34]

The military can't use hollow points because of the Law of Armed Conflict. Seems when you're trying to kill your enemy, you don't want to cause undue suffering. Of course, you can keep lobbing grenades at him.
Perhaps Homeland Security figures potential terrorists deserve all the undue suffering they have coming

How about US citizens???
And you may think that is impossible
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-28/news/31247765_1_atk-rounds-bullet

Just look at what is happening in Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland.
The whole world is tied together financially and the US dollar is the backing currency
The weakest links are going first and that's what happening in Europe right now
The current world FIAT currency system is expected to collapse and it's already under way.
The current world financial system controlled by banks is completely unsustainable and headed into a downward spiral.

90% of america has no idea what is going on right now.
They watch the prepared for the masses nightly news that soothes all their worries by telling them what they want to hear.
10% are aware and maybe 1% are actually preparing themsleves financially for what is coming.

The real estate bubble and banking crysis of 2008 was just a mild warm up compared to what's coming down the road

[billcreller]

The future is kind of scary when we dig into it...

[rafe]

"The Population Bubble"

[EL34]

If you would like to understand what the crux of the financial collapse is, watch this video

It explains how the currency system works and how we are being screwed by the FED
The Fed is not a government agency, it is a private institution that was created in 1913

It's a bit long, but it will open your eyes

Silver & Gold - Debt Collapse - $20,000 Gold - Mike Maloney on Economic Crisis

This one is a wake up call for hyperinflation
Preparing Americans for Hyperinflation

[tubenit]

The real estate bubble and banking crisis of 2008 was just a mild warm up compared to what's coming down the road

Absolutely agree with you.

With respect, Tubenit

[John]

"The Population Bubble"

And that might the the deepest root of our problems, really. There's just too damned many of us.

[EL34]

There's too many people on the planet for sure but the issue here is that the world's financial system is headed for a crash that makes 2008 look like child play

So then there will be too many people with no money, no jobs, no food
The FED will print lots more money which will inflate the currency and prices even more.

At some point, you may be able to wallpaper your bedroom walls with dollar bills cheaper than you can paint it.

If you would like to see what hyperinflastion looks like, look at what happened to Zimbabwe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_Zimbabwe

100 billion dollar notes anyone
You could get 3 eggs for 100 billion dollars






hey honey, I am going shopping

[Willabe]

Dog Gone you Madison!     

You just wrecked a perfectly fine childhood memory.


                    Brad     

[Willabe]

Their already printing too much money, what do you think "quantitative easing" is by the Fed?

They also have changed the way they measure/count inflation from what they used too. They've been saying for what 3, 4 years now that we have had 0 inflation?

Everybody's cooking the books so the #'ers add up, when they really don't, wont, can't.


                        Brad     

[EL34]

Yes, it's called Quantitative Easing and other fancy names like Operation Twist (You have to make it sound cute and wonderful when you are inflating the money supply)
There has been QE1 and QE2, operation twist and QE3 is expected before the election because Obama needs to make everything look wonderful to get re-elected
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing


The stock market should rally when QE3 is anounced, and that is what Obama wants to happen
If it does not, then that is a very bearish signal
Gold and Silver will go way up when QE3 is anounced
They can't do it too soon though because QE is just like a drug
It makes you feel good for a while and then the effects wear off and you are in worse condition than you were before

The huge amount of debt that the last two presidents Bush and Obama have piled on cannot be paid
We now owe 16 trillion dollars
Yet these idiots borrow more each year than they take in with taxes

The whole thing is out of everyones control now and it is set to get really ugly

How quickly the 2008 crisis happend and how quickly things went to hell in a panic shows how just how serious things can get in a very short time
Watch this video, it will give you a glimpse of what can happen and what we may be facing down the road
The First 12 Hours of a US Dollar Collapse

[Willabe]

I watched 3 of your video posts now and a very large amount of what's in them is what Fox news and Glen Beck have been saying  since this stuff started with the 1'st crash.

When Beck was at Fox I must have watched 95% of his shows. Before he was at Fox and had a radio show 1 day he told his listeners he was going to sell all his stocks and buy gold because he felt the stock markets were going to crash and for them to do the same. Well he did and not only did he triple his $$, but he also didn't loose any $$ in the stock markets.

I think your right about the big 0 (read big zero) and QE3, I wouldn't doubt it at all.

I never thought I'd live to see this, I thought it was/would happen some day, buy I thought it happen after I was gone from this world. I really thought it would be my wife's kids when they were old or her grand kids.      

We have 60 acres on Norfork lake in Ark. that's on the water with a beautiful view and we haven't been able to sell any of it in the last 3 years.      

If/when we do we'll buy gold and silver.

But there still could be a problem with that, you never know what these goof balls are going to try and do. What kind of laws or even shutting down the nation with martial law. Maybe no internet, no power grid, who knows, burn the constitution?

And isn't there a clause in the constitution that says the government can take any/all gold from citizens if at war?


                       Brad            

[fdesalvo]

Sig 1911 in .45 and loooking for a nice Springfield Armory M14. 

If you dig Glocks, check out Glockmeister.com.  The next gun I get will be a glock in .45 or 10mm and will absolutely customize it with parts from his site.

[EL34]

And isn't there a clause in the constitution that says the government can take any/all gold from citizens if at war

No, but the constitution says that gold and silver are real money and that we have the right to bare arms.
Gold and silver have already been taken away and Nixon screwed us good and proper one more time by taking the US dollar off the gold standard.
But, There are several states that are looking going back to real money like silver...yeah!!!

Recently Utah passed a law that you are allowed to pay for goods with silver if the merchant will take the silver. This is a huge step in the right direction of going back to real money and something that the powers to be do not want you to do. The current FIAT currency game does not allow real money.

Now with all the made up terrorist on home soil threats, they are removing many more of our rights.
(and don't forget that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that were never found)

The general public are very naive, if homeland security says,
"We need to search all your homes, computer files personal documents, etc to make sure you are safe from terrorist"
Guess what the sheeple say
"Oh yes, we want to make sure we are safe from terrorist, go right ahread"

Meanwhile, they have just surrendered a huge chunk of their civil liberties

I am not one of those underground bunker dudes you see on TV
I am only observing the huge changes that are taking places with our civil liberties and am extremely concerned!

Again, tell me why Homeland security ordered 450 million hollow point bullets?

[EL34]

Sig 1911 in .45 and loooking for a nice Springfield Armory M14.  

If you dig Glocks, check out Glockmeister.com.  The next gun I get will be a glock in .45 or 10mm and will absolutely customize it with parts from his site.

A buddy of mine owns m14-parts.com

http://www.m-14parts.com/

Jon is a good guy, maybe he can help
I have known Jon for over 10 years
He got all my guns for me

[sluckey]

You ain't going Rambo on us are you?

[EL34]

No Rambo here

I am just observing the current state of affairs and it is getting really serious

[Willabe]

The general public are very naive, if homeland security says,
"We need to search all your homes, computer files personal documents, etc to make sure you are safe from terrorist"
Guess what the sheeple say
"Oh yes, we want to make sure we are safe from terrorist, go right ahead"

Beck was talking about some fancy new type of spy van/truck that the military developed that can see into your house, some kind of x-ray/infrared deal, he showed a number of the photos it produces and it was pretty amazing how clear they were. They were using it over seas but then the US government ordered a bunch of them for use here. I forget the # he quoted but it was extreme.     

Again, tell me why Homeland security ordered 450 million hollow point bullets?

That's an awful lot of high power ammo for home land use, no doubt.


                         
                                  Brad       



 

[Madison]

Dog Gone you Madison!     

You just wrecked a perfectly fine childhood memory.


                    Brad     

HTH  
Hope you learned something new from that video.
It is worth watching.

I am not a gold bug nor a fiat money guy.
They are both valued only by one's faith in it.
As it stands, both can be and certainly are manipulated.

Backing the fiat with gold again is a good step to only 40 years ago.
The better way is to take the creation of DEBT FREE money back to the people and out of private banks hands.
I'd also like to see completing currencies, which would include gold, silver, State issued,bartering, etc.
Basically, the way is was over 100 years ago.

[fdesalvo]

Thanks for the link.  My dad was a cop when I was growing up and he would always bring home lots of fun hardware haha. 

Sig 1911 in .45 and loooking for a nice Springfield Armory M14.  

If you dig Glocks, check out Glockmeister.com.  The next gun I get will be a glock in .45 or 10mm and will absolutely customize it with parts from his site.

A buddy of mine owns m14-parts.com

http://www.m-14parts.com/

Jon is a good guy, maybe he can help
I have known Jon for over 10 years
He got all my guns for me

[Rich]

Glocks scare the hell out of me.

5 or 6 years back I was officiating an IPSC match during the course of which 2 Glocks blew up. One was a 40 cal, the other a 45.  The 40 was so bad it needed a new slide and barrel plus sundry other parts, the 45 just needed parts which a local dealer had in stock.

Both guns were spewing parts all over me as the Range Officer is supposed to position himself slightly behind and beside the shooter in case he has to intervene in a safety issue.

I now stand behind people with Glocks; I have enough scars.



9/45 issue

The first Force to covert to 9mm (giving up their 357 mag revolvers) was the California Highway Patrol.  Shortly after the change a Highway Patrolman riding his bike on an off ramp spotted a holdup in progress in a liquor store.  He radioed for backup but because he judged the clerk was in imminent danger, he crept in behind the perp and identified himself and ordered that the gun be dropped.

The perp ignored the commands and started turning towards the officer who opened fire emptying the S&W 9mm into the perp who continued turning until he had his 44mag trained on the officer who was shot and killed.

As he was dying I speculate the Officer likely wished he had had his old 357 mag.

[EL34]

You did not say which model blew up
Were these Gen 4 Glock 17's that blew up?

Competiton Glocks are highly modified with all kinds of trick parts, they are not stock Glocks

It's amazing then that the world's #1 gun for law enforcemant by far is the Glock 17 and #1 for reliability

You would think that law enforcement officers would not want to use something that blows up.
Or maybe the officers all in love with guns that blow up?

Just asking logical questions

I just ordered a 3.5 pound trigger for mine plus a stainless steel guide rod and a extended slide lock

[cbass]

A glock is the only pistol I've ever had jam on me.Could just be coincidence

[EL34]

That's funny
No matter what subject you have opposite parties

I hate Fenders, oh yeah well I hate Gibsons
I hate Coke, oh yeah, I hate Pepsi

Silly stuff
  

[fdesalvo]

My fav vids on youtube are made by "Hickock45".  He's a huge glock/1911 fan and has a really amazing backyard range.  

Glock 21 Gen 4

Just watch them all.

[EL34]

yeah, I have watched several of his videos
I like him

I watched his stance videos a while back

he's quite a good shot

[fdesalvo]

He's such an amazing shot. 

This girl I was dating was being trained by one of the Top Shot contetants from last season and she really picked it up fast.  She's not competing in IPSA events haha.  She's a great shot and totally put me to shame at the range a few months back (it was the first time I shot in 5 years, but no excuse - even at my best, she'd have handed me my own a$$).  It was her turn to shoot and I was standing behind her observing.  A crowd had formed lol - people literally stopped shooting because she was putting hole on top of hole at about 20 yards with a beat old 92F.  This guy came up to me and said, "You are doing great with her.  Maybe you can show me a few tips."  I smiled, but that faded quickly as I realized I was next up to shoot.  Everyone assumed I was training her and now they were waiting to see what kind of groups I would post!  After my peperoni sized group, they quickly learned I was the one taking notes!

[tubenit]

This is a pretty accurate pistol & fun to fire. 38 shell jacketed to a 22. Very flat trajectory.

It also has alloy sleeves inserts that allow regular 22 bullets to be fired.  The hammer has quick adjust from rimfire to centerfire.

Smith & Wesson 22 Jet

With respect, Tubenit

[fdesalvo]

Almost looks like the .17 HMR :) 

[Jack_Hester]

I've posted these elsewhere, and if I have done so here, I apologize for the redundancy:

.308 F-Class for large/long distance varmints



.22-250 Ackley for not-so-large/still long distance varmints



and the good people at H&H Gunsmithing that built them both for me



I don't have more pictures of the .308, though it has be long finished and basically the same setup as the Ackley.  The .308 stock was modeled after the Ackley, once I had it adjusted for my shooting.  No adjustments on this one.  Neither are carry rifles, as they are too heavy.

The funny thing is that where I live, my .22 Hornet is my most used rifle.  Too many people around me with children, to even think about using the others.  And, I live on a farm. 

Jack

[Rich]

You did not say which model blew up
Were these Gen 4 Glock 17's that blew up?

Competiton Glocks are highly modified with all kinds of trick parts, they are not stock Glocks

It's amazing then that the world's #1 gun for law enforcemant by far is the Glock 17 and #1 for reliability

You would think that law enforcement officers would not want to use something that blows up.
Or maybe the officers all in love with guns that blow up?

Just asking logical questions

I just ordered a 3.5 pound trigger for mine plus a stainless steel guide rod and a extended slide lock

I don't recall the models but I remember one guy was shooting production class and the other standard class so I'm assuming they were both out of the box.  I can't check it out as coincidentally, both have since died, maybe the Glocks are just bad luck.

The only Glock I shot (it was on a dare from the local SWAT team leader) was a 9mm model 17 which I didn't care for although I had no trouble with targets after getting over the strange feel.

My guns are all based on the 1911 frame (Springfields, Colt and Para-ordinance) and my homemade 9mm comp gun based on a Norinco frame.  These guns are easily set up with a safe 1.5 pound trigger, usually without fancy parts.

Cops don't get to choose what they carry, the force picks out the issue firearm.

Coincidentally the local police and the Minnesota Highway patrol switched to Glock 9's from Beretta 40's at about the same time.  The local police (mostly SWAT) had a lot of split barrels with the Berettas and that was the reason why the force went to a different firearm (according to the Chief they went with the Glock because it seemed to be a trend with Police Forces).

In salvaging discarded brass after police shooting, I determined that they had been cleaning their guns after shooting and had been leaving the barrels wet so that their first shot had extreme pressure as indicted by the brass I found.

It is obvious that the City Force Berettas were effectively sabotaged by leaving the barrels wet, could be the case with Minnesota but I saw no evidence of that on a range they had been using.

[EL34]

That's a cool looking rig Chip

[Shrapnel]

when it comes to zombies a sidearm is just that....a 12 gauge with a lot of shells

8 in the gun and 25 on the belt

Pictures of the shell belt here
http://www.el34world.com/Forum/index.php?topic=13934.msg130715#msg130715


I'd like to have a rifle also
How about an AR15?

ooooh.... Someone had to break out a "scary" gun... quick dive for cover!!! The Brady bunch will be knocking and skipping any kind of logic to convince us how evil a black gun is.

All I got to say is a lot FAT good the bans do in Chicago, NYC, and DC.... despite the bans and making it hard for those who can carry legally, the gang bangers are still having a hey-day plugging people. (mostly other gang bangers, but they don't care about collateral damage... and apparently neither does Bloomberg and the NYPD.)

[Shrapnel]

I love my Glock (among other things)

A couple 9mm on target are far more deadly than a half dozen .45's that missed. And too many of the guys I know personally that insist on shooting a .45, can't shoot.

Caliber matters, placement matters more. Been a lot of deer taken in the moonlight with a .22 in the brain.

But these days, I'm way more into building amps and making music than I am shooting. I blame you lot for that!

I agree whole-heartedly.... placement matters. (most of the caliber wars is just a testosterone contest as there have been many that have been killed with the lowly .22LR.) Shoot the largest you're comfortable with and won't hurt you... even if it is just a .22LR. There's a few good ones out there now that aren't wheel-guns.... Ruger SR22 and S&W M&P 22 come to mind eating almost anything .22LR you feed it. Then there are the really fussy ones like the SIG Sauer Mosquito. Also good for just plinking and as a trainer: the M&P 22(, SR22, & Walther P22.)

[Shrapnel]

I know a little about guns  , first off if you rack that shotgun and the zombie doesn't run away,then he definately needs shooting. Second if you shoot someone with too low a caliber and they notice it,they are going to be angry.And most people that carry a .45 do so because they don't make a .46.Oh  that single shot 20 should always be carried empty unless you are hunting (to and from empty). I may be wrong but no safety? I had a Single 20 when I was young and loved it but it was an accident waiting to happen if not respected (more so than most.)

Nah... a REAL (Testosterone) man, will find a DE in .50 AE instead of a .45.

ANY gun can be an accident waiting to happen IF not used or treated right.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/david-liberman/irresponsible-gun-owner-of-the-day-judge-vincent-sgueglia/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/07/daniel-zimmerman/irresponsible-gun-owner-day-unnamed-detroit-cop/

Also when used properly, they CAN have a good defensive result:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/david-liberman/dgu-of-the-day-lioness-with-a-shotgun/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/daniel-zimmerman/dgu-of-the-day-shoot-me-once-shame-on-you-edition/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/sanchanim/defensive-gun-use-of-the-day-armed-granny-edition/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/07/daniel-zimmerman/defensive-gun-use-of-the-day-cyberspace-edition/

That last one was using a .380... a round some consider inadequate for defensive use... but it sure did the trick.

Just Remember the 4 rules of gun safety and all is pretty much well.

[Shrapnel]

when it comes to zombies a sidearm is just that....a 12 gauge with a lot of shells (OO) is the prefered weapon unless you happen to have a water cooled machine gun handy......And hey you don't have to defend your weapon of choice but it MUST count when it defends you 

Better have a NFA tax stamp for that full-auto and hope your State and County don't outright ban you from having it. (if you're in the UK... Sorry, best you might be able to get will be limited for hunting purposes only. i.e a permit for a Simple shotgun or rifle... in the land of Oz... well good luck getting a permit for an air-soft gun let alone a shotgun.)

Best Zombie killers will be light and use common ammo.

Just don't be like this guy...
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