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Are you interested in purchasing junk tube gear on Ebay?

No, not at all.
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slightly, if the price + shipping is cheap enough
31 (49.2%)
moderately, but I don't have the time to search for deals
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usually, especially if someone posts pre-screened items of interest
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Absolutely, it's my main source of cheap parts.
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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #50 on: November 04, 2015, 06:55:38 pm »
Original recipe (steel) 6L6 is 19W 360V. (The oldest sheets show 21W and 400V but this was walked-back quickly.)

Later glass 6L6 have the same or slightly higher ratings.

6L6GC is a very different tube, 30W and 500V.

Nearly all 1960+s guitar amps rely on higher 6L6GC ratings.

One steel 6L6 "can" be used in a Large Champ, around 320V supply 60mA 4K-5K load and 9W output @ 10% THD.

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #51 on: November 04, 2015, 07:26:05 pm »
Audio amplifiers do not (almost never) need regulated voltage; there's better things to do with money.

Like make more amps to sell with those audio tubes.   :l2:

Measurement equipment often includes regulation for consistent calibration.

Probably why the Army Commo and test gear I was familiar with often had it.

The power supply for this meter must be VERY clean, because it measures very LOW level hiss, and any hiss hum buzz or crap from the power supply contaminates the readings and makes the results dubious.

I came to the same conclusion, and it also explains all the can caps in there.  I think you guys are right that this likely only has a 250V B+.  Even if it had a 380-400V super clean B+, are you guys suggesting that I wouldn't necessarily want to use it?  I don't really see how it would be a problem unless it was limiting the current to less than what is needed for the guitar amp circuit I decide to build.
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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #52 on: November 04, 2015, 07:39:10 pm »
Original recipe (steel) 6L6 is 19W 360V. (The oldest sheets show 21W and 400V but this was walked-back quickly.)

Later glass 6L6 have the same or slightly higher ratings.

6L6GC is a very different tube, 30W and 500V.

Nearly all 1960+s guitar amps rely on higher 6L6GC ratings.

One steel 6L6 "can" be used in a Large Champ, around 320V supply 60mA 4K-5K load and 9W output @ 10% THD.

I kind of wondered why I was able to get the metal 6L6s for less than $10 including shipping, and not the glass GCs for less than $20.

I heard one guy playing Satriani on a 6L6 Champ.  Made me want to explore that, but found the 6L6 design calls for 10+W resistors which I don't have any of yet.   :sad2:

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2015, 08:02:35 pm »
Power supply appears to be 6L6 regulated.

Maybe PRR or someone else could help me understand the use of well known audio tubes as regulators in the PS.

PRR and Eleventeen covered regulated supplies thoroughly.

Why the use of "well known audio" tubes? Really, they were just "well known tubes" and an instrumentation designer would see them as "power" (big tube) or "small signal" (preamp tube) pentodes or triodes. As PRR stated, power triodes were often used as pass elements in a regulated supply (I've seen a lot of 6AS7/6080 dual power triodes used this way).

The problem with a triode is if you try to limit the plate dissipation by reducing the voltage from plate-to-cathode when you need big current pulled through it, you also limit the amount of plate current the triode can manage. The 6L6 had different-shaped characteristic curves, which allow big current at low plate-to-cathode voltage (so lower waste heat for the 6L6 compared to the power triode) as long as the screen voltage is held constant.

It is coincidental to the instrumentation designer that an audio designer likes the same feature of the same 6L6 tube to get bigger peak and RMS power output when used for an audio amp. Likewise the 12AX7 or 6AU6 is liked by both instrumentation and audio designers for their gain, or for availability of two sections (in the case of the 12A_7). But each designer applies the features of the tubes differently.

Look at each tube as a "device" with its individual strengths and shortcomings, much like the same MOSFET could be an audio power output device or a regulator series pass element...

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2015, 08:06:32 pm »
You don't want to install metal 6L6 tubes in a hot Super Reverb with 465 volts on the plates.

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #55 on: November 04, 2015, 08:21:35 pm »
You don't want to install metal 6L6 tubes in a hot Super Reverb with 465 volts on the plates.
Glad I didn't try putting them in my Peavey Mace pawnshop amp deal that started me on this tube amp odyssey.   :laugh:

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #56 on: November 04, 2015, 08:47:42 pm »

PRR and Eleventeen covered regulated supplies thoroughly.

I agree and am thankful for their efforts!   Yours too.  :worthy1:

It is coincidental to the instrumentation designer that an audio designer likes the same feature of the same 6L6 tube to get bigger peak and RMS power output when used for an audio amp. Likewise the 12AX7 or 6AU6 is liked by both instrumentation and audio designers for their gain, or for availability of two sections (in the case of the 12A_7). But each designer applies the features of the tubes differently.

Look at each tube as a "device" with its individual strengths and shortcomings, much like the same MOSFET could be an audio power output device or a regulator series pass element...
I am trying to learn to do that, especially with now mostly considered worthless TV triode and pentode tubes.  I'm thinking that some of these could be used for PI or other ancillary duties, freeing up 12A_7 tubes for more important duties.  It will take some time, but maybe someday I'll get there.   :dontknow:

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2015, 09:04:56 pm »
... worthless TV triode and pentode tubes.  I'm thinking that some of these could be used for PI or other ancillary duties ...  It will take some time, but maybe someday I'll get there.   :dontknow:

Take your time. And copy what others have done with those; there are a handful of folks who've sussed out the ones that are worthwhile in a guitar amp, built something and posted the detail on the web.

You'll get there, but there is a lot to learn along the way.

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2015, 12:54:09 pm »
Make sure you give us the tube report!
Queue the Haters!  Tube Report!  Here it goes:
PS Side- 1 6L6,  2 Relay tubes, 1 6U8A, and brace yourself  1 Amperex Bugleboy Made in Holland 12AX7 !!!
Signal Side-  2 Channel Master 6BQ5s and 3 Amperex Made in USA Gold pinned 6922 !!!

Everything else in there is top of the line high quality parts as you can expect purchasing obsolete Govt research type gear.

Take a look.  Thanks again eleventeen!

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2015, 01:24:17 pm »
Excellent! You cannot tell me that isn't a piece of first class tube junk. Over and above the parts which are worth it, IMO, you should be able to slap an AB763 board where the current turret boards are and build up an amp in record time.


Too bad about 6922s. You should be able to get at least $10 each and possibly more on ebay selling them though.


You done good!


Looking at the footprint of that grey Triad tranny...it looks more like it is like a "modulation" transformer...push-pull output for the 6BQ5s to >>500 ohms<<  Too bad, but we never expected that to be a usable output tranny.


But you got those 6BQ5's, that's for sure a bonus. You have 75% of an amp there, at least in terms of construction effort.

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #60 on: November 06, 2015, 03:44:40 pm »
Excellent! You cannot tell me that isn't a piece of first class tube junk. Over and above the parts which are worth it, IMO, you should be able to slap an AB763 board where the current turret boards are and build up an amp in record time.

Too bad about 6922s.

You done good!

Looking at the footprint of that grey Triad tranny.

But you got those 6BQ5's, that's for sure a bonus. You have 75% of an amp there, at least in terms of construction effort.

Absolutely 1st class tube junk!  I have seen my share of old Govt gear, so that's what got my trigger finger twitching.
This weekend's radio conversion project looks to go back on hold since this arrived.  He FedEx'ed it to me!

6922s are Mil Spec Gold pinned twin triodes.  Data sheet shows torture test requirements for these.  They'll go into my inventory for now, awaiting further research.

A quick look showed the Triad to be a quality choke.  It's a Triad C-15A Filter Regulator.   :icon_biggrin:

2 6BQ5s a 12AX7 and a 6U8A sound very close to the tubes needed to make something like a Marshall or Vox 12-18W PP circuit.  I'll have no problems stripping my only PP OT out of last weekends project.
I couldn't find a schematic online for this thing yet, you wouldn't have an idea where I should look would you?  Otherwise, I need to proceed very carefully and cautiously in stripping her down to try to preserve the value of any parts that might be of interest to another electronics geek.  Who knows, maybe someone would be happy to pay $33 for that hockey puck or other specialty (out of production) parts this may contain.  A schematic would be of great help here.

One side of the front rack mount plate was slightly bent.  No problem, I'll just grab my pliers and bend it back in shape like I would with any current rack mounted gear faceplate.  Ahh, no not quite.  It will take a BFH to bend this 1/4"+ hardened steel plate back into position.  High quality parts throughout this construction.  The picture of what I called the bottom is actually the top and it has it's cover.  Only the bottom cover seems to be missing.  Should be easy and cheap enough to get one made when I complete this conversion.

Hockey puck = Patent # 3,026,363
THERMAL ELEMENT FOR MEASURING TRUE R.M.S. OF RANDOM SIGNALS
Posted .pdf of this Patent earlier.  Part of what little I could find online about this gear before purchasing.
Hoping I can maybe use key words from this to track down a schematic.
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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #61 on: November 06, 2015, 04:07:42 pm »
6DJ8/6922s were very common in old Tektronix 2-man scopes and various other test gear. Some audiophiles really like them. They are high quality tubes, let there be no doubt. They are a bit problematical when you mix them up with 12A_7s because they have a different basing diagram as far as the heater goes. They  cannot be run from 12 volts, they don't have that "split filament" deal that 12 A_7 have. If you have an amp with ALL 12A_7 tubes, you can swap them around ad infinitum without much care and without smoke.

I have no idea what the hockey puck is; pressure transducer, maybe.

You probably will have a near impossible time getting a schemo.

You'll have fun with that thing. I am certain of that!


As for parts, everything but the hockey puck is pretty generic. I really like that mode of construction. You're gonna get three nice high-quality turret boards out of that. Good deal.
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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #62 on: November 06, 2015, 05:04:37 pm »
Not every junk gear purchase is a winner.  I was itching to try a R-R purchase at the beginning of this thread.  The Webcor model 2200 is a lemon.  As John pointed out, no PT, no usable tubes, and a wimpy 1W OT.  I might be able to make lemonade from the case, speaker, OT, and various assorted do-dads.   :dontknow:  Might try a wall wart and one of these:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/171791044874?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT  to make a little 6AU6 amp.   :think1:  I've got lots of those tubes.

My BAM*** Revere T-100 R-R purchase won't arrive until next week.  Schemo shows I should be Good to Go on that one.  That's the thing, you have to be willing to take some shots if you want to make a score.   :l2:

All my premium tubes came from taking a shot on things that could have turned out to be lemons.   :l2:

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« Reply #63 on: November 06, 2015, 05:31:19 pm »
Yeah, here's another thing for parts. 4-5 6DJ8's, an amazing lack of useful parts. Bleh. Of course the most useful item in the universe is a hp 438 calibrator. It is a 6550-powered push pull amp into a 500 ohm output transformer with 3-4 12AX7s in there.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-HP-Agilent-H63-340B-Noise-Figure-Meter-Gas-Tube-Test-Set-Unit-/221927716013?hash=item33abec34ad:g:7gsAAOSw3ydVss7G




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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2015, 05:48:23 pm »
Lifetime supply of 12AU7 (probably 5814s or 5963's)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-HEWLETT-PACKARD-524D-ELECTRONIC-COUNTER-TUBE-TYPE-VINTAGE-MILITARY-SURPLUS-/151877236138?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276


Excellent junk piece. Historical, actually. Was just about the first electronic counter.

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« Reply #65 on: November 06, 2015, 06:38:25 pm »
I limit my shots to less than $50 including shipping.  It doesn't take too many usable parts to get that back.  It also pretty much rules out anything that remotely looks like a guitar amp on Ebay.  Maybe if your lucky and catch a BIN within 5-10 minutes of listing from a seller who doesn't know what he has.  I'm out of bullets again.    :sad2: 
Here's some from my watch list.  These are not recommendations, and do your own research before parting with any of your hard earned money.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231598552879?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161862157178?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231742279657?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2661&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Maybe some of you lurkers on this thread might want to step up to the plate and take a shot?  Careful though, it can become addicting.   :l2:
Please let us know if you do take a shot and how it works out for you.  Or if you don't want to play, only want to watch, post what you think are potentially good deals to discuss and see if one of the active players wants to take a shot on the things you find.  Probably a good way to train your eye before jumping in the game. 

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #66 on: November 06, 2015, 06:46:36 pm »
> no idea what the hockey puck is

Clearly described in the patent.

Needle meters read "Average" of an AC wave.

Sometimes we want "RMS". "Heating Value".

For known wave-shapes, the correction is easily calculated. Most meter scales are marked to RMS, assuming a Sine wave. The correction for triangle or square is different, but easily calculated.

Pulse waves, you need to know the duty cycle.

"Random" (hiss) waves correction can be calculated; but sometimes your "random" is not truly random.

This machine takes the "dumb" approach. RMS is heating value. So it amplifies the signal (without damage) until it is strong enough to heat a resistor appreciably. The patent describes a clever construction which measures temperature *rise* (what we really want) inside a semi-sealed can, with fairly strong output signal (for a thermocouple).

Today we use RMS chips to compute the RMS with math. Problem is "Crest Factor". RMS weights the peaks higher, but the math needs a Square, so the peaks get VERY big, and clip before the squarer, don't get accounted correctly. Resistors don't clip peaks (though the amplifier chain will).

I still think the total market for this thing was about 16. Three labs who would actually use it. 13 labs who had too much money in the budget and never really used it.

This *may* be one of the ones that got used. Those Service Master tubes do not go with the rest. SM was TV amplifiers, antennas, rotators, and then general TV supplies. The tubes sold under their brand were almost certainly bulk-contract, and probably lowest-bid. That does not mean "bad"... low-price tubes from 1970 were often excellent things.

The 6922s are very fine tubes but not for guitar amps. Hi-Fi fans use them, and often get screwed because ALL sorts of junk has been re-labeled and sold as 6DJ8. If you eBay, emphasize that these tubes have been in hibernation for 40 years and are for-sure(?) what they say they are.

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #67 on: November 06, 2015, 07:26:59 pm »
Thanks for your input PRR!  I appreciate you freely sharing your wealth of knowledge with us!  :worthy1:

I could clearly see overfunded Govt research lab written all over that one.  I could also see parts I was seeking in there.  It turned out better than I was expecting, so I'm happy.  I also gather that you're telling me that there are no electronic geeks that want to buy my hockey puck.   That's OK it's almost hockey season.  :l2:

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« Reply #68 on: November 06, 2015, 10:43:28 pm »
This one has a PT, not sure about OT, but most likely Philips Miniwatt tubes from Holland.  Likely a 6BQ5, do your own research.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Philips-EL-3551A-Portable-Magnetophone-Reel-to-Reel-Recorder-for-Restoration/131626499497?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D34225%26meid%3Dbcea8ae3493c425989f1197f0912d86b%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D141818462177

This one's like my BAM*** but slightly more than I would want to pay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Revere-reel-to-reel-tape-recorder-Model-T-204-4-Reto-Decor-Prop-Black/321807738833?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D34225%26meid%3De2dbd991443641bb896e34c82283c3a7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D121792074693

Could be a Lemon:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Sears-3-Reel-To-Reel-Tape-Recorder-Model-7230/161860890633?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D34225%26meid%3D2cfa55284e1d4bddbbe7983aab6b792f%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D111805740537

Projector:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Kodak-Pageant-AV-126-TR-16mm-Film-Sound-Projector-Nice-Condition/361422532572?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D34225%26meid%3D179977b38d414ee5b14a31649ea3447f%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D9%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D181904829536

Do your research find a target and take a shot.  It's fun, if not always profitable.   :l2:


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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #69 on: November 06, 2015, 11:10:15 pm »
Those things are OK, but by the time you are paying $60 incoming freight...with luck you get a little PT, a 12AX7, a 6V6, and a SE output tranny. More likely: a 6AU6 or two and a 6AQ5. How many Champs should a person own? With bad luck: 50C5 and 35W4 transformerless hazard.


*Some* projectors have nice amps in them. I have seen push-pull 6973 amps in RCA projectors. Din't quote me, but I believe those Kodak pageants used dual 35L6 outputs.



That's why I prefer the industrial gear. The industrial stuff usually has some sort of valid, reusable sheet metal. Most cheapo tape recs are usually built on a very purpose-built stamped steel chassis which is an "L" shaped thing not especially useful for putting in anything but the cab the tape rec came in. Usually riveted parts (which you can drill out, of course, but it's extra work and provides little reusable screws, nuts, etc;) The knobs are generally setscrew type. As it happens, I just got a R-R tape rec for $5, totally ratted out. GOOD power tranny and 6V6 of (at this moment) untested quality. For $5, OK, whatever. Cup of coffee stuff. I would not want to pay real money to have it shipped.
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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2015, 12:38:02 am »
Perhaps a nod to rare equipment is worthwhile.  There may be some around who would really enjoy spending countless hours restoring a rare item to allow it to live and operate for another 50 years.  To some, that may be an insane burden, especially where the sum of the parts is substantial and money is tight and a quick windfall can be gained.


Not everyone knows what is rare, or historic, but a little googling effort and forum exploring can be morally rewarding.


I've parted out a Wurl organ, but I have also 'saved' an organ from being dumped for its 64 mc1 Mullard 12AX7s and two KT66's.  I have yet to find another such working organ, and the restoration path experience and historical insight has far outweighed any feeling of wasted effort.  I also came across an unknown 'instrument' amp with GEC KT88's and nice magnetics, but otherwise not very aesthetic countenance, that could easily have been heart transplanted in to a nondescript amp.  After a number of years of sleuthing, it was the catalyst for many old muso's fabulous recollections and photos of time past.


Money is money, but after enjoying this fabulous hobby for a few years there may come a time when a philanthropic act outweighs a few dollars in the pocket.

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« Reply #71 on: November 07, 2015, 02:04:59 am »
You guys have just mention some of the issues about why I started this thread.  Rational people cannot operate in the Ebay used tube amp parts market.  Someone could take a blown PT, OT, on a rusty chassis with a couple of questionable at best 6V6s  a worthless 12AX7 and list that making sure to mention the tube numbers.  Offer it in unknown condition, as is, with no refunds and idiots would still bid it up over $120 including shipping every day of the week.  That is why I was asking what other gear you like and can still get at rational prices.  I had to skirt the fringe markets of projectors, R-Rs etc. just to find anything of potential value that was not bid to crazytown.  I like the obsolete Govt research lab gear, which you can often get at reasonable rational prices, but then it's very heavy and costs a fortune to ship.

This last purchase was actually the most I have paid for old gear off Ebay.  (No not quite, I paid $40 for my adjustable HV bench PS, and I had to drive to Oak Ridge TN to pick it up).  I try to find interesting items in the $20-$30 range including shipping to take a chance on.  Obviously most of those cheap items are beyond the restoration phase.  But parts are parts, and good parts for cheap are hard to come by.  When you stumble into some good Mullards, or Bugleboys it's just icing on the cake.

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« Reply #72 on: November 07, 2015, 05:23:20 am »
I always buy locally for that sort of stuff, haunting the local craigslist, ham sales, thrift store etc. gear turns up and usually at great prices with no shipping, and even better you can see it before you buy it. The weight of that sort of gear makes it cost prohibitive to ship, Mind you I'm in Canada and much of the stuff on ebay is in the states so shipping is more costly for me


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« Reply #73 on: November 07, 2015, 05:29:35 am »
Demolition and clean up phase complete.  We got flat bare ground to build on now and a pile of old parts.  With the meter face missing there is a big hole in the front now.  I think I want my PS to have at least 1 or 2 0D3's in it sitting right up front in the meter hole.  For that beautiful neon Purple glow coming out the front.  You're a crazy man, Paul!  That's OK, at least I don't pay crazytown prices for junk amps on Ebay.   :l2:
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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #74 on: November 07, 2015, 02:37:52 pm »
Bonanza day at the CA Historical Radio Society Junkfest!


Heathkit VTVM - $5 clean
Heathkit VTVM - $5 clean
RCA BIG meter Sr Voltohmyst - FREE
Heathkit audio osc missing PT - FREE
Heathkit Harmonic Distortion meter - $5. Has a Mullard 12AX7
Tektronix dual-beam power supply for 555 scope. Has 2-3 12AX7 FREE
stereo 6BQ5 amp, no tubes $5.
$10 - 5V4 + 8 qty 12AT7 + 12AY7 all JAN ($3 for the danged 12AY7, the others were 50 cents)
Pile of transformers, mostly small power FREE

They have a great collection of old "drug store"tube testers.



Your choice when using the zombie carcass of an old meter is either to get 2-3 OC3's (prefer OA3 75 volt) ---the neon colored ones lit up and showing in the big hole, OR, to get the meter to indicate as you play through the amp. Nothing else is acceptable!
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« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2015, 03:20:37 pm »
Nice score.  I'm kind of antisocial in person and don't really like to go out beating the bushes trying to find stuff.  It can be OK once in a while, but it's kind of like being drug along shopping all day by the wife.  Not much fun when you don't get anything.

I've already half-assed mounted a socket in the too big cap hole in the window and placed an 0D3 in it.  I've sussed out the PT voltages, looks like it was designed for +250V B+.  It was mega complicated with a SS bridge, a relay, a choke, adjustment pots and way too many cap cans.  Bulldozed it to the ground and am starting from scratch.  I was a repair tech not an engineer/designer so I'm in over my head but very much wanting to learn.  Would you be willing to guide me?  I'll go get my PT notes, and let you know what my Ideas are for this never to be sold amp.  If you would I'd appreciate it, as Googling/Reading/trying to figure out the PSU software and how it all fits together with my circuit choices is quite time consuming and overwhelming.   :worthy1:

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2015, 03:43:04 pm »
Well this was a radio-electronics junkfest, so I knew I'd get something or other.


As for building a new amp, the way it's done is to simply copy older Fender (or other) amps. There are 5+ ways to go with this pile of stuff.
If the PT isn't set up to deliver 350 volts, you're probably going to either need to replace the PT, or, go with those 6BQ5s as they can run well on much lower volts than say a Deluxe. That's your first limiting factor. No reason why a Fender running 6V6 tubes cannot be adapted to drive 6BQ5s.


The very simple way is to get an AB763 (or....5E3 Deluxe or Bandmaster board from Doug) and populate it. Replace any of the 7 pin sockets with 9 pins.


Or you could copy an old Fender ckt and build the thing on those nice turret boards that came in the meter.


IMO, step 1 is to power up the power transformer and see what your HVAC winding produces. And sort out the secondary winding wires. It's desirable to measure output volts from red to red-yellow, that way you are only measuring half the winding and you won't exceed to 600 volt max on many meters. That meter did not have a "5--" rectifier so you likely have no 5 volt winding on it anyway.


Double that number (of volts) and multiply by 1.4. With a solid state rectifier, that's how many DC volts you oughta get.


And do you want to use this chassis for experimentation or do you want build a "final" version of an amp in it?


What are the voltage ratings you see on the electrolytic cans? If you see no 450 volts, you are probably headed to 6BQ5 land barring a PT change.


Boo hoo. Really nice 5751 broken in the Tek scope power supply.  :sad2:  There are actually a number of cracked tubes in the thing. White on the tube - cracked envelope. Try to pull the tube out, the glass breaks. A few broken 6080's and 6AU6 too. Don't care much, but I have never seen that unless the chassis underwent big shock, and you'd expect to see a huge ding or dent. (What's the difference?) No such ding/dent. Ah well, free. 1 qty 12AX7 left.

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« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2015, 04:20:18 pm »
Got the PT voltages.  There were some 450V caps, but maybe just overspec'ed to sell for Govt research.  Best secondary VAC I got is 213, so looking at 300VDC B+ max, unless you know some tricks.  2 separate 6V secondaries.

Definitely gonna use the 6BQ5's, I've got two premium ones of those.  What I envisioned/wanted to do was to have multiple amp circuits built in this box.  Change amps with the turn of one of the rotary switches it came with.  BQ's for 9 pin, 6V6 or 6L6 for 8 pin, and 6AQ5's for 7 pin.  Three totally different sounding amps at the turn of a switch.  Not sure I can use the 6L6 now.  Wanted to do PP config with all three using the only PP OT I've got now.  I think it is about 15W and that would probably be too loud for my family at that level.  Maybe we can figure out how to use a single metal can 6L6 SE output using the same OT as the others.  Would like to use the 6L6 over the 6V6, as the 6AQ5 is kind of a smaller better sounding clone of the 6V6. IMO

Not everything would get designed and built right away.  Planned on getting a sweet sounding BQ PP circuit set 1st.  Then evaluate real estate available and figure out how to use the same preamp setup with the 6L6, or 6AQ5s.  Get that squared away and then look at adding the 3rd amp option.  There is lots of room in there, and the goal is to learn many new things as I progress to the ultimate triple header amp.   :think1:

Too ambitious?  I like to set a big goal to work towards, as I can always scale it back if it proves to be unachievable in my lifetime.    :l2:
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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #78 on: November 07, 2015, 07:58:22 pm »
I was incorrect when I said "Double that number (of volts) and multiply by 1.4. With a solid state rectifier, that's how many DC volts you oughta get."


No, it's half that. 1.4 times half the HVAC winding. .707 times the full winding.


Ergo, a Super Reverb has a 360-0-360 tranny and produces a B+ of 1.4 times 360 = 504 less the drop across the tube rectifier (you won't have such a drop since you have no 5 v winding and thus won't be using a tube rectifer...with THIS PT) = 460 odd volts.

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« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2015, 10:41:50 pm »
0D3s can regulate up to 150V, and mine have a nice purple glow which is my favorite.  So I'll need 2 of them instead of 3 or 4 0A3s.  Still expecting to use a metal 6L6 in the PS as the pass tube, but I don't know exactly where to start with that.  So I'm expecting to use ar least 3 octal tubes and the nice locking pot that was in the original circuit after the SS FW bridge rectifier.  Any other tubes needed in the PS?  I'm thinking I could adjust the final B+ between 250-280 or so with the pot for the different output tube circuits envisioned in my triple header if need be.   6AQ and BQ5s both do fine with +250 VDC, and I think the 6L6 output would like me pushing something closer to the limits of my PT near +280V for B+.   Any ideas for an example of a PS something like that?   :think1:

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« Reply #80 on: November 08, 2015, 09:08:45 am »
....  Still expecting to use a metal 6L6 in the PS as the pass tube, but I don't know exactly where to start with that. ...  Any other tubes needed in the PS?  ...

If you wanted to keep the regulated power supply in that 12A1 voltmeter, then you should have left that area un-stripped, or at least acquired/drawn a schematic of it before stripping.

However, if you're correct about 300vdc being all you'll get from the PT once rectified, then you really don't want to regulate it down further to 250vdc. Once you add decoupling for the output tube screen node, phase inverter and preamp sections, your supply voltage will start getting pretty low given the amount of signal swing you might need to drive the output tubes.

I agree with Eleventeen & PRR: if you are thinking about a complete guitar amp, then pick a model with a similar B+ for the output section (likely an EL84 amp), and copy what it has.

Got the PT voltages.  There were some 450V caps, but maybe just overspec'ed to sell for Govt research.  Best secondary VAC I got is 213, so looking at 300VDC B+ max, unless you know some tricks. 

450v caps were over-spec; commercial companies don't do that (and stay in business). In one of your photos, I saw 6x solid-state rectifiers. 4 looked like they were in a bridge rectifier configuration (probably to get the ~300vdc you noted). The other 2 are in series, but don't appear to be the correct orientation for a voltage doubler circuit. However, you had one can cap with a cardboard sleeve over it, which almost always indicates the case (negative) is at an elevated voltage, likely for a voltage doubler.

My guess is there was a bridge-rectified main (and regulated) supply, and perhaps 2 opposite polarity half-wave rectified supplies with at least one staked on top of the main supply. The 6L6 pass tube would have needed plate & screen voltages well above the voltage of the regulated output in order to operate.

0D3s can regulate up to 150V ...  So I'll need 2 of them instead of 3 or 4 0A3s.  ...

Don't look at it as "regulate up to ..." The 0D3 need 160v anode-to-cathode to fire up, and stays lit while dropping ~150v across the tube. So look at it as a "light-up resistor" in a voltage divider. You should always have a resistor in series with the 0D3 to limit current between 5mA (the minimum current at which it can stay lit) and 40mA (data sheet maximum operating current).

I know data sheets and old military books show glow discharge tubes like the 0D3 as regulators, but that's really to facilitate a simple discussion of how series and shunt regulators operate, without having a bunch of parts in a schematic diagram to confuse the novice reader. In practice, they were used as zener diodes are in regulators today: to create a defined voltage reference, against which another tube (comparator, probably the 12AX7 in your 12A1) compares an error signal (provided through the error amp, probably the 6U8 in your 12A1) while controlling the pass element (6L6 in your 12A1).
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« Reply #81 on: November 08, 2015, 09:35:39 am »
I tend to find console radios. I was going to buy a Hammond OT a week ago and the price went up since the last time I bought them. Decided to look around for some more radios.



I wanted to do a 12W6 build so I picked up this console, came with the transformers and speakers on the left. P-P which surprised me, used 6AQ5's, the PT seems quite large for them. The next chasis beside it had two octal tubes so I just assumed it had a 6V6 and 5Y3 as another radio that I found years ago which was the same model of radio. To my surprise when I got home I realized they were 35L6's and there was no PT the earlier cabinet had. Guess the manufacturer did some cost cutting. The redeeming value to what was an otherwise disappointing buy is that the OT is P-P and will work for a mini plexi that I want to build. The last chassis on the left has a 6K6 in it, wanted the PT to make a little SE amp. Might use it for a P-P and feed the heaters off a switching power supply.

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« Reply #82 on: November 08, 2015, 10:17:16 am »
I didn't have any luck finding a schematic online,  unless I wanted to pay like another $30 after shipping for one.  That wasn't going to happen.  I could have spent some time powering it up and checking some things, without the schematic it would have been difficult to know if what I was seeing was right anyway.  I tend to get anxious with new junk, and almost always end up saying to myself, "I wish I would have taken a bunch of pictures, or readings before tearing it apart."  This one was fairly clean, but I also like cleaning her up as I go.  That way I only get filthy dirty working on it the 1st time, after that it's much nicer to work on.

Copying well known and good sounding designs was always the plan.  Except for the PS, and then always keeping in mind the compatibility of certain designs.  The designs ability to be incorporated in with the others to result in the ultimate triple header amp is critical.  I plan on starting with a PP BQ design with one or 2 12AX7s in the preamp.  No reverb or tremolo circuits, KISS keep it simple stupid, rings in my ears.  This 1st design is critical, as it is the foundation for any other circuit to be added later.  It will define input and output sections, and the offboard effects loop configuration if implemented.  Lots of things to consider.

I thought that starting with an all-purpose, around 250-300V, adjustable Power supply would be a good starting point.   :help:

HBP, if you wanted to split this thread into two around this point that would work.  Or, I could just start another thread for the ultimate triple play head build.
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« Reply #83 on: November 08, 2015, 10:53:04 am »
... Copying well known and good sounding designs was always the plan.  ...

I thought that starting with an all-purpose, around 250-300V, adjustable Power supply would be a good starting point.   :help:

But you already have one of those, don't you?

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« Reply #84 on: November 08, 2015, 10:57:07 am »
... Copying well known and good sounding designs was always the plan.  ...

I thought that starting with an all-purpose, around 250-300V, adjustable Power supply would be a good starting point.   :help:

But you already have one of those, don't you?

My Oregon Scientific bench supply is that and more.  This piece of gear has a PT left in it, starting from there.

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« Reply #85 on: November 08, 2015, 10:59:26 am »
The gas regulator tube thing is charmingly obsolete; if you're just looking for a visual goodie to light up, fine. They really can't regulate any significant current to speak of. The octals should not be handling above about 30 mils or they start to get life-shorteningly hot. They are/were almost always used (in tube power supplies) to regulate a little tube (typ 6AU6, 6GH6, 12AX7) whose output gates a bigger tube. (6AV5, 6L6, 5881, 6080, 6550, 2A3) For more precision, 5651 tubes were used which for some reason (possibly mfg tolerances, maybe the smaller cathode to plate distance) operated in a much tighter range than an everyday 0D3 or whatever.


One nice thing about industrial gear, as you've said, is that there is not the obsession to cut 2 cents out of mfg costs, like there was with cheapo record players and tape recs. Costs were furiously attacked and consumers must have been absolutely obsessed with prices. I have a 1964 Martin guitar price list. In that list, IIRC, an O-18 was $255, an OO-18 was $260, a OOO-18 was $265 and a D-18 was $270. The idea that one would buy an O-18 over a D-18 for a $10 or $15 price savings sounds completely absurd. (I have 2 brothers, one bought a new D-18 in 1961 and the other bot a new O-18 in 1961)

And I acknowledge, these things can certainly change over time. In the 70's and 80's Deluxe and Princeton Reverbs were simply disdained, hated. Every single music store, it seemed, had a sad and lonely $125 Deluxe Reverb for sale that sat there for years. You had to have a Twin, and if you only had a Bandmaster or Bassman you had to go to an amp guru, have him rip out the trannies, install 2 add'l 6L6 tubes and Twin iron and SS rectifier. Nowadays....if you wanted to trade for a BF or SF Deluxe, it would probably take you 2 qty Twin reverbs!

In your situation, here is probably what *I* would do: I would build a single channel 6G9 Tremolux, the early version that used 6BQ5s. http://el34world.com/charts/Schematics/files/fender/Fender_tremolux_6g9_d-fa.pdf
If you don't care about Trem, lose the trem oscillator tube. I would strip one of the turret boards you have and build it on that.
However, that design still wants close to 400 volts on the 6BQ5 plates and you either have that or you don't. >>This is certainly one of the biggest "ooops" of used tube junk: Except for TV sets, you will very often find that the power supply (meaning the power transformer) can't get over low 300 volts. If it can't, it can't, you can stare at it all day.


Some folks here like the VOX AC-30. I once had one of those and it was a fantastic amp, but the parts count in a VOX is huge.


Anyway, the Tremolux parts board is going to be virtually the same as some other build which drives 6L6 if that is your overall preference. So, if you build that and it doesn't do it for you, you can at least keep the built-up parts board and find an octal-tube amp you like better.


Before getting involved in a multi-every-which-way switchable amp, get a few simple builds under your belt. That, I would strongly advise.



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« Reply #86 on: November 08, 2015, 11:41:20 am »
A visual goodie that hypnotizes people is a requirement.  I can talk with my family and friends about this tube or that, they can listen to this design or that, and to them it's all the same.  Nothing special.  "Why don't you just get some new small and light stuff, instead?"    :BangHead:  The soothing purple glow shimmering in time with the music, now that's something they can remember and support.

I've made at least 5 different amps that worked as prototypes, so this is not completely new to me.  Remember I want to approach this one step at a time, but I also know that without thinking about where I want to go to, there are many paths to take that simply end in "You can't get there from here!"  Kind of like the roads in S. Korea.

The design you suggested needs a different PT.  I don't really want to do that.  With proper planning I think there might be some way to use what I've got, a PT with a +300V B+ max, to come up with something that could possibly power PP AQ/BQ circuits, (easy they both like +250V B+ well enough), and a lower voltage metal can 6L6 SE output circuit.

Even if I have to eventually put a 2nd OT in there, I'm OK with that.  I'll even be OK with buying 2 new high quality OTs from Doug, if that is what it takes to make this dream come together into reality.  That's really the point of scrounging around for cheap parts.  When you need a special high quality part you've already saved enough on your other parts to just go ahead and buy that expensive part.

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« Reply #87 on: November 08, 2015, 12:09:23 pm »
PT looks beaffy enough, how about a lower voltage tube like a 6CW5? A low voltage large plate 6BQ5. Depends what you want out of the amp you could look for tubes that are designed to operate in the 170-200V range.

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« Reply #88 on: November 08, 2015, 12:32:53 pm »
PT looks beaffy enough, how about a lower voltage tube like a 6CW5? A low voltage large plate 6BQ5. Depends what you want out of the amp you could look for tubes that are designed to operate in the 170-200V range.

I've got 1 Philips MiniWatt and 1 Amperex Bugleboy both made in Holland 6BQ5s.  These are both going in this amp for sure.  I've got the new Amperex Bugleboy 12AX7 which came out of this, and it's going in this also.  My supply of 12AX7s is very limited, only 2 more and one of those was removed from my working little Behringer AC108 amp.  I have a decent amount of 12AT/AU/AVs, probably 5 of each, and like 2 of those the red tipped kind.  No more premium Mullards or Bugleboys in this area.  I've got 2 Mullard 6AU6s that I'm keeping for myself and would go in this if they are called for.  My premium tubes are all going into this, once the bugs are worked out with less expensive stand ins.

The only tube which seems to need higher voltages is the 6L6.  I've never used and don't have any EL34s.  Ditto for any other big power tubes.  I thought it would be interesting to have one of the three circuits use a single big output power tube for a different kind of sound.  This would likely be the last circuit to add to the triple header.  The other two AQ/BQ can easily be more similar in design, accepting of a lower B+, and still quite different in their resulting sound.

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« Reply #89 on: November 08, 2015, 02:02:32 pm »
PT looks beaffy enough, how about a lower voltage tube like a 6CW5? A low voltage large plate 6BQ5. Depends what you want out of the amp you could look for tubes that are designed to operate in the 170-200V range.
Working with the PS software now.  T1 has the correct VAC out, not sure about it's R.  L1 is the Triad choke with the right values.  I can't seem to put in a pass tube, or any other tube for that matter past the rectifier spot.  Just starting to experiment, but this has 283 B+ and 260 B+1.   :help:

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« Reply #90 on: November 08, 2015, 02:27:17 pm »
Working with the PS software now.  T1 has the correct VAC out, not sure about it's R. 

Measure resistance of the secondary with the power off; write this down.

Measure the resistance of the primary. You mentioned the secondary voltage was 213vac, presumably with 120vac in. This is a 1:1.775 ratio, So multiply your primary resistance by 1.775. Add to secondary resistance, and that's the number to use in the Duncan calculator.

I can't seem to put in a pass tube, or any other tube for that matter past the rectifier spot.

That's right. It's not a full-up SPICE program, and only simulates a simple rectified power supply to tell you current (especially peak current) drawn through the rectifier, and output voltage at various supply nodes (assuming you know their individual current draw). The rest is a matter of your design ability with paper & pencil.

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« Reply #91 on: November 08, 2015, 02:58:11 pm »
Thank you HBP!

Got 1.9 r pri, 5.1 r sec.  1.9*1.775=3.3725 + 5.1 sec = 8.4725 r for T1
Changed the value in PSU, with a couple of other slight value changes downstream.  Got a few more Vs out if it now.  B+ = 290V and B+1 = 260V now.  What to put for the Load?  Estimate max current draw of all the tubes in my circuit and make the Load constant current at that level to be safe?  The Triad choke is labeled for 250mA, this should be more than enough right?

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« Reply #92 on: November 08, 2015, 09:36:54 pm »
Working with the PS software now.  T1 has the correct VAC out, not sure about it's R. 

Measure resistance of the secondary with the power off; write this down.

Measure the resistance of the primary. You mentioned the secondary voltage was 213vac, presumably with 120vac in. This is a 1:1.775 ratio, So multiply your primary resistance by 1.775. Add to secondary resistance, and that's the number to use in the Duncan calculator.

I can't seem to put in a pass tube, or any other tube for that matter past the rectifier spot.

That's right. It's not a full-up SPICE program, and only simulates a simple rectified power supply to tell you current (especially peak current) drawn through the rectifier, and output voltage at various supply nodes (assuming you know their individual current draw). The rest is a matter of your design ability with paper & pencil.


Could you enlighten me why the the calculations on the secondary resistance?

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« Reply #93 on: November 09, 2015, 07:02:45 am »
An interesting link to a unique 1953 concept that may be just the ticket to add 6L6s to the triple header.   :think1:

https://www.ampbooks.com/mobile/amp-technology/6L6-phase-inverter/

With lower voltage than even the 6AQ5s/6BQ5s like, in a PP Class A configuration, and a reduction in the number of tubes needed for operation?  Is it all too good to be true?  More research is needed, and maybe even a prototype of this unique circuit idea will need to be setup and tested on my breadboard.  Who knows?  Could this be the key to adding 6L6 tubes to the ultimate triple header amp?   :dontknow:

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« Reply #94 on: November 09, 2015, 07:11:42 am »
Could you enlighten me why the the calculations on the secondary resistance?

The transformer resistance acts to limit the peak current charging the first filter cap. That quantity varies with different transformers.

People like to say, "A ____ rectifier can only handle a maximum of ___uF capacitance." That's bogus; really the rectifier can only handle a maximum peak and/or steady-state current pulled through it. Bigger uF's make that peak current bigger, but bigger R (either inherent in the transformer or added via external resistors) makes that peak current smaller.

By the way, I think I forgot to have Paul square the ratio of primary to secondary voltage (so multiply Pri Ω * 1.7752 to get Sec Ω); after all, it's the same reflected impedance concept as with output transformers.

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« Reply #95 on: November 10, 2015, 01:10:05 pm »
OK, I actually got 2 more R-R after the Lemon Webcor 2200.  So for a total of $50.07 including shipping I got the Revere T-100 and a Silvertone 4070.  Here's some pics.  Yes junk gear often has mouse droppings etc. in it.  Total I netted 2 PTs 2 OTs 2 6V6s 2 6X5s 2 6SJ7s 2 5879s 1 6K6 and 1 12AX7, and various other pots, caps, resistors and assorted do-dads.  Not a Mullard or Bugleboy score, but I count this as a reasonable return on investment.   :icon_biggrin:
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« Reply #96 on: November 10, 2015, 01:11:14 pm »
more pics.  Rechecked prices on new transformers.  Conservative price without shipping PT = $60  OT = $15.  So now I'm feeling better about having to deal with mouse turds.  On transformers alone I've gotten a 3-1 return, and possibly kept reusable parts from ending up in a landfill somewhere.  If you're building little bedroom amps to sell to your friends for cheap, you might consider buying some junk gear.  If you're looking to build larger gigging type amps, and resell the amps you build to someone who needs to check them out inside and out, but they are willing to pay near full retail price, then obviously Doug's Kits are the only way to go.   :icon_biggrin:
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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #97 on: November 10, 2015, 05:34:52 pm »
Could you enlighten me why the the calculations on the secondary resistance?

The transformer resistance acts to limit the peak current charging the first filter cap. That quantity varies with different transformers.

People like to say, "A ____ rectifier can only handle a maximum of ___uF capacitance." That's bogus; really the rectifier can only handle a maximum peak and/or steady-state current pulled through it. Bigger uF's make that peak current bigger, but bigger R (either inherent in the transformer or added via external resistors) makes that peak current smaller.

By the way, I think I forgot to have Paul square the ratio of primary to secondary voltage (so multiply Pri Ω * 1.7752 to get Sec Ω); after all, it's the same reflected impedance concept as with output transformers.


I understand the output resistance limiting the current in the secondary, thought that PSU  would have produced a reasonable approximation wit it. Never really noticed it was off all that much.

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #98 on: November 10, 2015, 05:54:05 pm »
In your post with 5 pics; the PT on that thing is simply enormous for a little tape recorder. The mfr must have gotten a good deal on those.

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Re: favorite old gear to buy for parts
« Reply #99 on: November 10, 2015, 06:12:05 pm »
That was on the Revere T-100.  Just kind of took them apart and cleaned them up a bit.  Thought it might have 320V for B+ (schematic shows +395 coming out the rectifier).  Spent a little more time on the Silvertone, as it wouldn't even power up, but looked in reasonable condition otherwise.  DeoxIT came to the rescue again, sprayed it inside the power switch/ volume pot worked it in good and she powered right up.  Major hum, but it appeared to react to the volume knob.(dated 1943 tubes)  Didn't even try to power up the mouse infested T-100 yet, but I did like the PT when I saw it.  She's heavy.  Further inspection after work tonight.
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